TheAuldGrump Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) Hmmm.... I painted one Deathsleet for a commission, and had no problems. I have another two for my own use, and neither has a problem. But one of my friends has a Deathsleet that does have the problem. I solved it for him by sculpting a rock outcrop out of blue insulation foam, fixing the left foreleg to the 'rock' to give a three point base. The result looked nice enough that I think that I will do the same with one of my Deathsleets. For the Jabberwock... I think that I will use a Woodland Scenics tree - so that he is wuffling through a tulgy wood. The Auld Grump *EDIT* I may give my Jabberwock a waistcoat and a pocket watch as well.... Edited July 31, 2013 by TheAuldGrump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buglips*the*goblin Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Seems we might have a range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Inquisitor Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Hmmmm. Very interestink. My jabberwock boiled upright just fine and doesn't fall over now. And he's also pretty stiff. ETA: scratch that, he just fell into the gutter. I'll admit to some burdgeoning disenchantment with the design of some of these new figures. I'm still waiting to hear back from Reaper before assembling or boiling a few of my figures. Deathsleet is one of the ones I'll boil, reposition and base him, but there are still some models so warped or floppy that they might not be able to stand up freely even with a base. I just want to see how Reaper handles this. PS: It's good to hear that others are concerned for how these 'foibles' might affect the casual or beginner gamers out there. Besides my wife, my brother and my nephew are interested in Bones models, but it will be hard to sell them on a line of lounging dragons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buglips*the*goblin Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 We disagreed over Kaladrax and Cthulhu, but that turned out to be intentional and didn't adversely affect the integrity of the model. A Deathsleet that can't stand up with its wings attached, that's a very different animal. I can definitely say that while I can fix most of these problems, yes, I am quite concerned about their usability out of the pack. If Kally had Deathsleet legs, I'd be equally concerned. My Kaladrax is super stiff legwise. Any that aren't, people should report in. Anything that affects basic structural integrity is an issue to be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Darsc Zacal Posted July 31, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2013 I didn't notice my Deathsleet to be especially soft, but the bottom of his feet and bases are a bit bent/warped. The two red dragonsi have however seem to be quite soft, especially their wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinzig Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 We disagreed over Kaladrax and Cthulhu, but that turned out to be intentional and didn't adversely affect the integrity of the model. A Deathsleet that can't stand up with its wings attached, that's a very different animal. I can definitely say that while I can fix most of these problems, yes, I am quite concerned about their usability out of the pack. If Kally had Deathsleet legs, I'd be equally concerned. My Kaladrax is super stiff legwise. Any that aren't, people should report in. Anything that affects basic structural integrity is an issue to be addressed. Isn't this just the way bonesium is? Call it spongey, flubbery, etc. It seems important when the model affected is yours, doesn't it? Lack of consistency of the material itself is my biggest gripe with the entire bones line. I'm not a fan of GW plastics, but at least the plastic is consistent and you know what to expect. -Z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buglips*the*goblin Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 It seems important when the issue directly affects the stability or performance of the piece, yes. Now if the issue had been Kaladrax's legs, and he couldn't stand up, then that's also an important issue. It has nothing to do with "my" piece. it has everything to do with identifying a potential fault (that would be why I asked for additional input from people here) that compromises this model itself. That's a legitimate issue. No matter who brings it up. Kaladrax's head is not. Kaladrax and Cthulhu's heads do not compromise the structure of the piece. If Deathsleet's head was floppy, or his arms a bit rubbery, etc there wouldn't be any issue. If he can't support his own weight, then there's definitely something worth looking into to see if there is a problem - because he's supposed to be able to do that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buglips*the*goblin Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 I should also note that I haven't yet discounted the possibility I might have done something to contribute to this issue. In retrospect, I might have been hasty attaching him to his new base. It denied me the chance to experiment a little more. It's possible Deathsleet might have a pretty easy fix after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatrissaTheEnchantress Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 If a Bones doesn't meet that criteria, I'll cut its picture out of my catalog and deny everything. "I reject your [bones-ey] reality and substitute my own." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmorse Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 The only dragon I've glued together so far is the pathfinder red. It started out fine but slowly leaned backward over several days. It no longer stands without being propped up by something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuldGrump Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I should also note that I haven't yet discounted the possibility I might have done something to contribute to this issue. In retrospect, I might have been hasty attaching him to his new base. It denied me the chance to experiment a little more. It's possible Deathsleet might have a pretty easy fix after all. It took me maybe five minutes with a hot knife to make the rocky outcrop - but this presupposes having a hot knife. (The one I use is pretty danged cheap though - and I get a lot of use out of it. It may be wort seeing if you can find a 'Flora Cutter' in a local craft store - it is typically in the floral section, and is used to cut the styrofoam used to base the terrain floral displays. A tree from Woodland Scenics would have worked as well, and taken less work... but I had my Flora Cutter handy.... (Do not use spray primer on the foam - it will melt like ice cream on a summer day!) GW used to sell Flora Cutters... rebranded at twice the price.... The Auld Grump, plus... I really liked the way the model came out - I am going to do the same thing with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffStray Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Dang. I was so happy about my boiling efforts earlier tonight, but even repositioning this fella with the tail on the ground leaves him unable to stand with the wings attached. A base it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buglips*the*goblin Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Does he still fall forward? Because that's what I was thinking, that maybe I didn't bend him back far enough to balance when I boiled. But if you bent him back and he still went forward, then I guess that's not a fix. Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinzig Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I should also note that I haven't yet discounted the possibility I might have done something to contribute to this issue. In retrospect, I might have been hasty attaching him to his new base. It denied me the chance to experiment a little more. It's possible Deathsleet might have a pretty easy fix after all. And that to me is the problem...deathsleet should not need fixing. A little clean-up in mold lines, maybe trim a joint to fit a little better...those I understand. Having to re-inforce a part for structural integrity, due to the lack of consistency of bonesium is a problem, regardless of where the part actually is on the figure...head, arm, tail, leg, etc. A wibbly-wobbly arm or spear to me is just as bad as weak ankles. I just want more consistency with the product and I'm going to go ahead and blame the manufacturer of the bones as I think once all these are in-house QC will be much better and I don't think we'll see week ankled dragons. -Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffStray Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Does he still fall forward? Because that's what I was thinking, that maybe I didn't bend him back far enough to balance when I boiled. But if you bent him back and he still went forward, then I guess that's not a fix. Hmmmm. Without really warping his legs, he has a rightward tilt. Adding him wings topples him sideways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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