buglips*the*goblin Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) Oh, I'm not holding my breath, but I would wet my pants if they started tomorrow. Of course then I'd have to mail my pants to The Goblin of he Great White North... It's socks. I collect socks. I seek to be rid of pants at every opportunity, so I certainly don't want to compound my woes by acquiring more. Edited September 12, 2013 by buglips*the*goblin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerJeff Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I yanked my Wrath of Kings pledge as well. I'd much rather give my hard earned monies to Reaper as they have earned it over the last couple years of ordering from them. I have only had one issue with an order and they made it right within days of me reporting it, (this all occurred while the rush to ship out Kickstarter pledges was going on), so they get mad props from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Darsc Zacal Posted September 12, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2013 The longer Reaper waits to launch Bones II, the more comfortable I'll be in backing the KS at the level I'll likely want to. So take your time ReaperPeeps. Go on, have an extra break or two. Take some extra time off. Plan everything out carefully, don't rush. Have long lunches. Go for a drive out in the country... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laoke Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I'm sorry, but I'm impolitic. Have Reaper's comms dwindled during the fulfillment of the KS? Absolutely. But anyone that 'won't back the next without assurances that they've "learned their lesson"' are just ... Well, I can't find a polite expression. Seriously. Yeah, maybe they could have communicated more. But have you considered the fact that the reason they haven't was that every swinging Richard in the house was in the back room working on fulfillment? Think about it it. They even let their core metal figure business suffer because it was 'all-hands-on-deck' to fulfill their KS promises. I'll be called a frothing Reaper fanboy by some because of this reply, but I promise you, I'm not. If they hadn't earned my respect from years of dedicated customer service, I'd let the chips fall where they may, but their EXTENSIVE positive track record has earned them some wiggle room. I've yet to see the game/RPG/figure Kickstarter that went perfectly smoothly and hit every time goal. I have no idea what they plan to include in Reaper KS 2.0, but at this point, all I need to know is what the total pledge needs to be. And that is without having painted even one of my Reaper KS 1.0 minis or having any idea what 2.0 may bring. Thats not fanboy, that is (earned) trust. Why is the fact that I found the communication lacking, and hence have a requirement for it to be better befire backing another so... well, boggling for you? To my way of thinking, not learning a lesson and backing and then complaining ceaselesly about it would be far more annoying. And letting Reaper know I found the communication lacking is pretty much my responsibilty to them as a customer - they absolutely have the right to completely ignore everything I've said, and if I'm being unreasonable I encourage them to do exactly that. But if you don't make your opinion known, it makes it hard for a company take it into account. I couldn't care less about the delays. If I was still waiting for fufillment and was kept in the loop I'd be perfectly happy. The issue for me was I was waiting since March. And I obsess over things - yet again, for the record, that's my problem not Reapers. But the 6 months fufillment stretched over had a detrimental effect on my productivity. Monitoring up to 6 channels of communication, stated methods of fufillment changing without notification - had I been told "ROW orders won't ship before X date", I would have had my expectations appropriately managed and could have gotten on with other things. Look, if I had ordered my Vampire + extras from a 3rd party I'd have gotten the product earlier and, when you take into account the time I wasted it'd have been cheaper. If I don't take that experience into account I'd be a fool. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJames Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I had no real problem with the amount of communication, but I will agree with laoke on the fact that they do need to CENTRALIZE their communication. having to check multiple sources can get pretty annoying. I don't use facebook or twitter and have no desire to start so I can't get info from those sources. However the one place where everybody on kickstarter can easily get the info from is kickstarter. So hopefully they'll make that their primary place for communication about kickstarter. It's fine if they want to put the same info in other places but I should only have to check kickstarter. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Chaimo Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Signed up to throw in that I'd love to see KS levels devoted to Warlords, and would love Warlord PDF's to go along with it, I think the Bones medium and price tag and accessible PDF's could get the game moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ced1106 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) I would love it if reaper bones 2 was centered around a great game that way you can get to twice the bang for your buck. a great playable game plus super awesome minis. either that or more dragons can never go wrong with more dragons. Well, someone statted the Reaper Bones with Savage World stats, and you can always use Song of Blade and Heroes. The e-format of the games is under ten bucks apiece. Games cost time and money to develop and playtest, yet are often little more freebies to sell miniatures. Since Reaper is already selling the miniatures... As for WoK, the sculpts are great, but I never got around to "alternate fantasy" and am not as enthusiastic for 200+ un-primed miniatures as I used to be. (: As for the nekkid ladies, paint on some clothing? Edited September 12, 2013 by ced1106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai-Mongar Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 For me, To back I'll need some sort of reassurance from Reaper that they've learned lessons from the first Kickstarter and they'll be addressing the communication issues. They can lie through their teeth - there's no way I'll know till way too late if they're being honest about it or not. But if the answer is "Well, we thought we did a good job and we're not reviewing comms for this one" I'd rather not bother, thanks. The rest I'll handle myself. I'll use a redirection service to have my shipment to New Zealand sent from the US so I don't get treated like a pariah again. And I'll consider 2 orders - one base set, and one with the options. That will address the majority of my concerns, but the one thing I can't compensate for is communication from Reaper, and without it I'll lose hours, days, maybe months of productivity. If that's going to be the case it'll be cheaper and faster for me tobuy from a 3rd party. One thing I've learned about Reaper over the years, and one of the characteristics they have that I think makes them a good company is that they do learn from their mistakes.No, that aren't perfect, but they don't tend to make the same type of mistake over and over again, unlike a lot of other companies. A good example of this is the release of CAV2 versus the release of Warlord 2. CAV2 was hounded by years of promises and delays, and the origin of the Soon joke. Warlord 2, however, caught a lot of people off guard - only a core group of people even knew it was in development before it was released. The release of Warlord 2 made it obvious that Reaper had learned at least some lessons from the CAV2 fiasco. So while it is very likely that this new Bones KS will have some problems of its own, based on Reaper's track record over the years, it's a lot less likely that they'll be the same problems the first one had. No, the KS2 problems will likely be brand new and completely unexpected. But hopefully much, much lesser in scope, too, since they experienced some big ones already. In fact, I imagine that a large portion of their planning for the new one will involve analyzing what went wrong with the first one and figuring out workable solutions before those problems pop up again. They may have had a good release for Warlord 2, but they screwed up with Reich of the Dead after that so I'm not sure if they really did improve in that regard. I do think that they can improve their logistics for Bones Act 2: Back in the Habit, but game releases aren't the best example to inspire confidence in Reaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniCannuck Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Reaper is a miniature company which is run by people who love games. They have some great ideas with CAV, ROTD and Warlord but they are smart enought to concentrate their resources on the miniature aspect of the company. I'm sure that they would love to develop the games more, let's hope they have the resources to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SamuraiJack Posted September 12, 2013 Members Share Posted September 12, 2013 Take some extra time off. Plan everything out carefully, don't rush. Have long lunches. Go for a drive out in the country... Unless it's with Silvio Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dragon Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 October 18th is my guess for a start day that way it will end before the holidays yet the pledge manager can still go until past christmas to give those of us who get a few extra bucks as christmas presents to put towards it afterwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrift Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Haha, we should have a pool guessing which date will be the launch date. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadcubed Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I'm going for the Monday 14th of October. Starting on a Monday means there are plenty of people fresh for the start when changes need to be made as pledges are motored through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klarg1 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Haha, we should have a pool guessing which date will be the launch date. Good idea! Put me down for October 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dragon Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I'm going for the Monday 14th of October. Starting on a Monday means there are plenty of people fresh for the start when changes need to be made as pledges are motored through. the first reaper bones started on a monday so you might have nailed it on the head. I was thinking a weekend start would be best seeing how more people are hope but you might be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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