red5angel Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Erion is right on. Stealth is particularly expensive even when compared to electronic warfare units. That's why I do't recommend you spend too much on them in general. It's also why I decided to go with the one Stealth and the one electronic warfare suite. It keeps the cost down but gets me a special unit that should be cool to play. Maybe on monday I will post some pics of my stuff so far that has been painted. their not that good but might help give you an ida of what I have done so far with my units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 hmmm, I do like the idea of a stealthy Cadre, but if thats too expensive then I'll figure something. Of course, I could make them a detachment or task force of sort. I'm thinking the "lightness" of the gears could be compensated by the technology. Ultimitely, the paratroopers plus stealth reminds me of some kind of Delta operation, where I can send this cadre behind enemy lines to shake and stir things up before the main invasion force gets there. most likely, a unit like this would be operating on its own. So whats the difference between the Southern Republic and Southern Milicia? If thats the course I need to take for this unit, I'll consider it. Just bear in mind, Serpentine Fire is a tough name to live up to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erion Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 The Southern Rebulic is one of four political powers in the Allied Southern Territories, and has its own standing armed forces. The MILICIA is the combined armed forces of all of the Southern Powers. Because the Rebulic exerts such a powerful influence over the other states, the Terms are often used interchangeably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 OK, so a Southern Republican unit isn't too far of a stretch if I plan to have a task force of "Delta Operatives". I could go the highly mobile route, and figure a way to make paratroopers of the two Strike Cadre. How hard of a conversion is that, or is that possible? basically I have the Strike Cadre on order, so its pretty much set, so I want to see what I can do with them. If the highly mobile route is feasable, How would I transport a pair of Visogoths and Huns? how about the Caiman APCs? obviously, they would need some kind of air support, how is that handled. Ultimately, I tend to go for the self contained fighting force, as you can see with how the final organization of Lone Wolf Company is put together; 3 Tomahawks and a 4th for dropship support. Now, I probably won't go to the same extent with HG, put for certain, I would want what I have planned now to "hold its own" if the need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 ok, did some research for you last night KAMUT. I found out that Stealth units aren't prohibitively expensive when it comes down to it but there are a few things you want to keep in mind. First - they suffer in the offensive department. They aren't kitted out to be extremely offensive but more surgical since the requirements of the stealth gear means they need to keep a low profile. Second - the availability according to the fluff on all the stealth vehicles is high and they are all rated at 1, meaning they are hard to come by and you will usually only see one assigned to a unit. This doesn't mean these rules can't be broken, but they are certainly things you want to keep in mind. The other thing that might work for you are the commando versions of some of the Gears. They are essentially lighter, and are all air droppable I believe. As for making your Stirke Cadre air droppable. I have never seen a Cobra that is air droppable and my assumption has always been that it is too big. I can't recall seeing air droppable Black Mambas either, mostly Jagers and iguanas. I can do some research for you into the Blac Mamba and see what I can dig up but don't count on having a Cobra variant in that Strike Cadre if you want it air droppable. As for tanks and Striders, I've never heard of them being dropped, maybe the lighter stuff. They do have huge hover sleds that gears can use almost like Jet skis and they can be used to transport heavier units as well but that is still overland travel. Air transport is rare for the most part. The wind and sand storms on Terra Nova and in particular in the bad lands make air travel a risky proposition and so Air Superiority isn't what you think it might be. The differences between the Milicia and the SRA are huge. Like Erion said the SRA is the Southern Republics specific army, and since they are in control of the coalition it is also the most well equipped and taken care of. Think Cold War Russian army when you think of the Southern forces and specifically the Milicia. The Milicia is a second hand unit made up of conscripts, demoted soldiers from the SRA, and the worst of the worst. A good portion of their equipment is second hand, and troop survivability is certainly not a focus. It's a miserable life being in the Milicia but this has the effect of making Milicia units and soldiers more tough, and more creative on the fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 OK, I see what you and Erion are getting at. OK for now, I'll keep the focus on the recon Cadre as paratroopers. make them function like a 3 man team, while the other two would be a stealth equipped Sniper team, also paratroopers. OK, with that in mind. my 3 man team would have a more offensive capacity, like commandos, with one heavier unit as some kind of fire support for them. Ideally, they could be split into two teams, but I would rather have them as one Cadre with the ability to task out. OK, Strike Cadre stays on the ground with the rest of the unit. If air travel is limited, paratroopers would probably be peicemeal at best. What about infantry, is it possible to have some airborne infantry to compliment the Recon? maybe two escoudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 absolutely, no reason your infantry can't jump in either. I can check on how the recon units are kitted out. I think they all carry medium assault cannons or there abouts. Their focus is on speed and maneuverability and so I know their equipment is light generally speaking. Doesn't mean you couldn't slap an extra missile pack on one or two or use a Blitz Jager to provide the extra punch when necessary. I'm going to see if I can scratch build a hover transport for my gears from model kits and scratch. Essentially the hover craft is large enough to hold a Cadre of Gears and so it shouldn't be too hard finding a model kit with a hover skirt on it that couldn't be hacked and cut to look like one of these things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 let me know what you come up with, that sounds like something i'de be interested in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erion Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 What about infantry, is it possible to have some airborne infantry to compliment the Recon? maybe two escoudes. Hover Technology is mainly the provence of the CEF, with the exceptions of the ginourmous landships. Terra Novan science just can't pull it off on a small scale. For your infantry transports, you'll want to look into helicopters. I'll see if I can't dig up the right sourcebook for you when I get home tonight. I'm thinking they're in Tactical Air Support, but I'm not sure. Also -- Air travel being limited refers mostly to long distance civilian travel (most of which happens via huge meg-lav trains). Just because it's not entirely safe doesn't mean the military won't use it. There are fighters, bombers and helicopters in use on both sides of the equator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Hey thanks Erion. starting the 19th, I'll be in Harrisburg every monday to attend a seminar on HVAC layouts. point being, I'll be in the nieghborhood more, so I'll drop in to the Adventure Guild to see whats new. (won't be enough time to game though) anyway, tell me more about the Helicopters. I could use them with the infantry paratroopers, but I have never seen any models for them. that landship is incredible; something like that would make a hellified HQ for Serpentine Fire, but it'll be a while before I build something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erion Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Unfortunately There aren't any aircraft models currently available for Heavy Gear. I'm thinking it shouldn't be too hard to kit-bash something from a 1/144th scale Black Hawk kit or Hind kit, though. Like I said, I have to dig through my books this weekend before I can say anything defintitive. Air support is something we haven't even thought to experiment with yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Air support is kind of a hard thing to ignore. looking at the Vigilence closer, I saw what looked like one of the Black Tiger Squadron fighters from Starblazers. or maybe I'm confusing it for a Valkrie but please tell me, I can get a 1/144 scale Black Tiger, oh please do. that is one bad boy, I will get in droves. even for CAV. (look out !) Although I don't remember if the marines got this thing to fly right, the VH Osprey is pretty neat. I think in 1/144 scale, 2 of those should suffice; now if I can find the model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Also -- Air travel being limited refers mostly to long distance civilian travel Actually, even the military prefers to travel in other ways if possible. It's stressed quite a bit, but especially in the Milicia that things are often transported over land instead of by air. It's certainly not heard of but not preferred like it is in the real world. As for types of air transport I actually think your more prone to find something that resembles the Osprey then a helicopter, the seem to enjoy VTOL in the HG setting. There's a cool picture of what looks like a dropship of some sort sitting on the tarmac and I am going to see if I can find some bits and pieces to throw one together from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 IIRC another reason why airpower isn't as prominent on TN is that most fixed sites (like the city states) have air defense lasers with a range out to line-of-sight. Coupled with an accurate sensor system, and the lack of any need for a ballistic computer (plus the ability for instant kills) renders air power less important (or rather, the cost of a saturation attack with strike aircraft would be too high). I'd have to check my books, but I believe they mention it. Damon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 That seems like a strange concept. I mean lasers like this already exist, perhaps not used in the same capacity but like the THEL system in Isreal, used to shoot missiles out of the sky. Theres plenty of weaponry that'll take out a target from beyond LOS, well a lot of missiles can already do that. Well any antiaircraft site is going to be a problem, but thats why you have insertion teams. to mark these sites or take them out. well, I'm not going to knock the system for it, but that doesn't seem right to me. Well, if thats the case, then there seems like more of a need for a Stealth Cadre, get in there, take these sites out, and demonstrate air superiority at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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