red5angel Posted January 12, 2004 Author Share Posted January 12, 2004 I'm working on it.... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Mike Hardy is probably the one to talk to about that. A little variation and he could expand the Mecha Press to cover a few forums on all your favorite Mecha games. Yeah, I'm still getting a feel for what can and can't happen in HG, I wasn't sure about the Snake Eye Black Mamba, now I know. So I can look into a good role for them, maybe Recon. just not sure of the finer details. If the Chameleon is air droppable, I can work with that. I just want to mix up the variants a bit to get them where I want them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 13, 2004 Author Share Posted January 13, 2004 Hardy has a HG section, not sure if he has forums up or not. I think personally it would be in DP9's best interest to put one up on their site. The have 3 miniatures games at the moment, HG, Jovian Chronicles and Gearkrieg, and roleplaying games based on all 3 as well. It would be nice to have a central place to discuss these since I am a Jovian Chronicles Tactical fan as well.... You can air drop the Chameleon, faraday was just pointing out that it doesn't come ready to be air dropped. I'm still going to go with a electronic warfare gear as the second part of my sniper team. It adds that much more to the Snake eyes stealth capability and I find the stealth variant weapon loadouts to be less then optimal for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 DP9 used to maintain a e-mail discussion group at one time, and I was subscribed to it (I did a few WWII vehicle conversions based on HG before GK came out...I think the system really works well for this sort of game, but really disliked GK, which I think is silly). I don't know what the status of the system is, nor how to subscribe, but its worth a look... Damon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 13, 2004 Author Share Posted January 13, 2004 They still have them but again they are mostly for the roleplaying aspects of the games. It sounds like they are on the edge of putting up some forums, they just need a little push..... Lars, what don't you like about GK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraday77 Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I'm still going to go with a electronic warfare gear as the second part of my sniper team. It adds that much more to the Snake eyes stealth capability and I find the stealth variant weapon loadouts to be less then optimal for the most part. A HG forum would be verrry nice indeed. Back to topic, how about a Black Box Iggy, a Chatterbox or one of the Silverscale Basilisks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Lars, what don't you like about GK? I jsut don't like the concept. See, I have a history degree and therefore training as a historian. I personally vehemently believe that you do NOT need to add walking German tanks, Tesla cannons, or jetpacks to WWII to make it interesting. I see this sort of thing on the internet often, and usually its from people who have no awareness of history to appreciate it. Actual history is far more rich, far more varied, far more surprising than ANY work of fiction I have ever read (and I've read 500+ SF/Fantasy novels in my lifetime). But I still think the game would work well as a straight historical game. Damon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 13, 2004 Author Share Posted January 13, 2004 I see this sort of thing on the internet often, and usually its from people who have no awareness of history to appreciate it. I think that is sort of an unfair statment. Alternative histories have been around since science fiction was born. WWII tends to attract alternate reality type fiction and I think it's a good setting for it. My guess is that the guys who created GK probably do have an appreciation for history, as well as an appreciation for gaming and for mecha. Put those together with a lot of available 15mm WWII minis, and you get some interesting combinations. Sort of a more high tech, Raiders of the Lost Ark feel (although I am sure some religious buffs or fanatics find religion to be a fascinating subject and believe Raiders to be created by those who have no real appreciation for real religion....). honestly I can understand where your coming from if it's not your thing, I just wouldn't judge it or put it that way Lars, it sounds like a "history snob" sort of thing then an intelligent opinion. I could say somethig similar as well about kungfu and kungfu movies. Actual kungfu is fascinating for me, extremely enthralling, but there is no real doubt in my mind the guys who created all those saturday afternoon type kungfu flicks had a real appreciation for kungfu..... faraday- yep, I was thinking of chatterbox. what's the black box iguana? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Well, first I would not characterize GK as alt history, more along the lines of Science fantasy. After all, tesla guns and jet packs do not exist, nor did the Germans have any projects in development that would lead to these things. Alt History is more along the lines of Operation: Olympic by Cornelius Ryan, or the series of WWI in America books by Turtledove. Second, I teach history (Church History) so perhaps I'm a little over-sensitive to the subject, but to me it appears that there's a greater trend of ignorance of history (NOT helped by the History Channel) that I find baffling and a bit sad. When you ask people who fought in WWII and they can't get the basics together, I think thats a sad statement on society. Damon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 13, 2004 Author Share Posted January 13, 2004 I just think your definition of alternative history is more narrow then mine. I would define gearkrieg as alternative history because they take a period out of actual history then give it their own twist. The inclusion of science fiction is often a factor in these types of stories but not always. As for history and such, I can understand your sensitivity but that is true in all times. History fades no matter how interesting it might be to some of us (I'm not history major but I'm a huge fan of certain aspects of history, Rome, Ancient Warfare, The middle Ages, etc..). Anyway, I don't mind GK. With all the 15mm WWII lines out there it's easy to build your forces, and the idea of Tesla cannon and Walking tanks is kind of cool if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I think on the issue of Tesla cannons, while there may be no real proof of the existance of such a thing, there is also no real proof that it really doesn't already exist either. Jet packs, (maybe I'm misunderstanding) have been a reality for the longest time, is it combat viable? Somebody doesn't seem to think so. There are a great many things that the military doesn't freely admit, like a stealth strike fighter, certain types of electronics, advanced robotics, AI, ETC,ETC. Key is, if the public knows about it, it wouldn't be classified Top Secret would it? a concept starts with the imagination of its inventor and there are only a few people on this Earth that actually know the extent of any governments research and development, including the Nazis who for all extents and purposes could be considered the pioneers of the modern battlefield. How many Nazi secrets remained a secret; How many of these secrets were adopted by other governments, thus remaining a secret until this day. Do UFOs really exist? Is there really supernatural forces at work? Is there life on other worlds? Do little elves really exist? Although no one can clearly prove these things, there is no one who could clearly unprove them either. The imagination opens your mind to these possibilities where we as people tend to narrow it down by our perceptions. Anyway, GK doesn't bother me, and I only really have a passing interest with it. I like HG much better, though my FLGS has a few Jovian Chronicle minis in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 14, 2004 Author Share Posted January 14, 2004 right. On the Tesla cannon, I have a book on Tesla at home that postulates that he may have created a weapon of some sort using his theories and ideas....either way, ultimately to me it's gaming and science fiction. Some like it, some don't. I do think it's alittle hard to come down on a game is if it is slandering actual history like Lars came off in that first post. I dont' think he feels that way, it's just how it seemed to me. In gaming as with anything else, some people will like them and some people won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Ah, I was thinking this was going to turn into a pissing contest about this or that; Both you and Lars are cool by me, but you were both heading into a stalemate on the issue. either way moving back to HG, whats a Black box Iggy and whats a silverscale basilisk? are these HG unit types? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5angel Posted January 14, 2004 Author Share Posted January 14, 2004 certainly not a pissing contest. I can completely understand where Lars is coming from, but sometimes people don't always agree. While I may not agree with Lars on all points he generally has some real good input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAMUT Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 OK, but what are those things, Black Box Iggy and the basilisk thingy. You got me on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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