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Less than 48 hours to go and I'm still on the fence with this kickstarter, and I'm giving it to you with both barrels.

 

It's telling when I'm more excited about getting a deal on paint than the actual figures, which are supposed to be the main draw.

There's no pleasing anyone, but they really should have just given fans a taste of everything, instead of catering to the hoary old fantasy grognards.

Would it have killed them to add just one IMEF marine to the core set? Just *one* new pose? One guy actually aiming his rifle?

Meh, it would also be nice of there was some consistency. Just add a few figs to the core set, it wouldn't kill Reaper.It would be nice if there was at least some consistency.

They went for mounted figures, then all of a sudden we got angels and tentacle-beasts. Uh... what?

We got modern terrain, then suddenly sci-fi aliens and stuff.

An all-terrain option or expansion would also be good. They'd get less orders, but it would be honest in its sales numbers. I missed Itar's Workshop kickstarter, though I would have only pledged for the accessories, so getting some dungeon accessories is nice.

I really think they lost a lot of international backers because of shipping.

I like how they're all "There's still more to come for the Core Set!" then they add in exactly one figure, the Sophie. Then they add on more paid add-ons while talking about how much better the core set is going to get. I'm smh. The Bulette and barbarians are nice, but when the majority of the figures are so average, I'm not fired up.

I do give them credit, Since they added Sophie, they went up two grand in about 10 minutes. Adding more to the core set really is the way to go.

If I buy the core set and some of the add-ons, it comes to like $200 or $300. But then I take a second look, and none of the figs from the core set are really that appealing. So it's like, why pledge at all?

Bathalians where I have to get three I'll never use. They should make that big alien/demonspawn (14059) model in Bones. Or some big alien beatie. or a Tyranid beastie like a hormagaunt, or the Hudson's Bugs from Defiance Games. People would buy a ton of those. Maybe a big beastie like a RT/40K2-era Carnifex? People would buy that, in plastic.

I salute them for making the big stuff in Bones plastic, but why three Bathalians? How many Bathalians do you need? Are they like a race from some Reaper sci-fi game I'm not aware of? Are they a proxy for anything? A big mutant mind flayer? Who's clamoring for all these Bathalians, so much so, that they had to make three of them. If each figure was available alacarte I could add one to my sci-fi collection just for fun, but three? What the #### am I going to do with three of them?

It's just that that's a lot of Bathalians they're making, for no real reason. Three variants of a race? Making big figures and Tyranid stand-ins I understand, but three variants of the same figure?

It reminds me of the "crates" dialogue from Destroy all Humans 2



"Hey, Pox, do you ever notice? There seems to be a lot of crates lying around. Just random crates. I mean, what could they all be for? You can't tell me anybody needs this many crates, just lying around. I guess if they were being used for something, then... then I could understand. So many crates..."

You can't tell me anybody needs this many Bathalians...

If Reaper flat-out said they were starting a sci-fi game, I would applaud them. If they're doing it because these are big figures and it makes the most sense to do them now, I have no problem with it. But it's the fact that all three are taking up spots that could be held by other things.

I'm not into these new grey alien figures, but at least it's not another giant Bathalian.

They couldn't do a medium-sized Bathalian troopers, and a giant-huge sized Bathalian, the size of a dragon or Mashaaf? No giant Bathalian tank that's like the old Reaper 40K2 Carnifex? No psyker Bathalian? No flying Bathalian jump trooper with wings? No royalty Bathalian with giant head crest?

Even the 14059 Darkspawn makes a better, and varied alien horror. They can't release *that* in Bones?

I'm not against variants, but variants that are so similar is annoying.

And the Exarch and the Centurion? Which one is the basic fighter guy, and what is the other one? A sergeant or squad leader? Could you even tell me what the difference is?

As an aside, like everyone else, I am not excited about the grey aliens. They ok, and the saucer is great, but not anything I need to add to my buy pile immediately. Especially when I have to order $50 worth of stuff to get them. I can get them on ebay after the kickstarter is over for a decent price, I'm sure.

The bullete looks average and the barbarians look great, but if you could that bulette as four/eight miniatures, that's really only six/ten (seven/eleven if you count Sophie) miniatures added to the core.

And what's in the core is a 50/50 mix of good/bad.

It's worth noting, I just bought a box set of The Hobbit: Escape from Goblin Town on ebay this morning for $64.99, with free shipping. Costs more, but I get figures I know I'll love and some great terrain. Not misshapen 1950's police call boxes and shipping containers that probably won't hold their shape.

Unless they release something huge like Gauth in Bones plastic, and add it to the core set, I'm still on the fence.

I don't begrudge Reaper trying to make a profit, or improving on the mistakes they made last time (being bit by that ROW shipping increase must not have been fun...) but I think the previous kickstarter was better in that it gave you a sampler platter of everything.

But internet D&D grognards woofed about getting moderns and sci-fi figs in their fantasy.

If Reaper was smart, they should have ignored the fantasy die-hards, and added a CAV figure to this kickstarter. Just one. Everybody loves the Dictator, so just give away one. Because if you give away one, then there's no reason not to try the game. I mean, the rulebook is free, right? There's a lof ot D&D nerds who play nothing but D&D, but I think they could have turned a lot of gamer nerds onto Cav. Or Warlord. Or whatever.

They should look at this as promotion. They got a push of Penny Arcade last time precisely it was such a good deal, you simply had to get in on it.

I don't blame them for trying to make money this time around, but promotion in mainstream news sources counts, and turning people onto your game counts too.

I don't begrudge Reaper trying to make a profit, or improving on the mistakes they made last time (being bit by that ROW shipping increase must not have been fun...) but I think the previous kickstarter was better in that it gave you a sampler platter of everything, and was a better value overall.

--Chris

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I plan to make up for this after the Kickstarter with (non)animated adventures of Sir Guy Garrick Forscale The Bold, and his intrepid companions Torg the Unicorn and Ogre Champion Chieftan. There's just a couple of technical issues to solve first.

 

It's maybe not as Joelicious, my Brobra, but I hope it'll entertain the same.

 

Not if I get to it first!!!

 

...Okay, to do that, I'd have to actually OWN all of those minis. I got Sir Forscale and Ogre Champion Chieftain. Torg is sitting in my cart right now.

 

...Yeah, I think you'll get to it before I do. Plus, you have your awesomesauce sandbox to make actual backgrounds/landscapes with! I was planning on just using photoshopped landscapes. :ph34r:

 

Huzzah!

--OneBoot :D

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Thanks for the digest, Oneboot! I find it particularly interesting that they've got a bunch more tricks planned. I kinda figured they'd be done after the bases, Sophie, and Mr. Bones, but am quite pleased to find that was wrong.

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While I'm sure all that was very cathartic to get out of your system, rather obviously quite a few people are perfectly happy with how Reaper is handling this shindig. I hope you get your desired figures at some point, best of luck.

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I plan to make up for this after the Kickstarter with (non)animated adventures of Sir Guy Garrick Forscale The Bold, and his intrepid companions Torg the Unicorn and Ogre Champion Chieftan. There's just a couple of technical issues to solve first.

 

It's maybe not as Joelicious, my Brobra, but I hope it'll entertain the same.

 

Not if I get to it first!!!

 

...Okay, to do that, I'd have to actually OWN all of those minis. I got Sir Forscale and Ogre Champion Chieftain. Torg is sitting in my cart right now.

 

...Yeah, I think you'll get to it before I do. Plus, you have your awesomesauce sandbox to make actual backgrounds/landscapes with! I was planning on just using photoshopped landscapes. :ph34r:

 

Huzzah!

--OneBoot :D

 

 

 

I will make some comics, but if you want to make some too then have at it! As we say around here - "fill your boots!"

 

Or boot, as it were.

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Play nicely. Or I will get my bat. And I am very tired and cranky. Chris, you said what you wanted. Everyone else, let it go. He's entitled to his opinion, even if you disagree. We will leave it at that. Personal attacks are not welcome here.

Reaper's primary market is fantasy. Of course they are catering to the largest percentage of fans.

I don't want to get my bat...

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