New Learn to Paint sets with Bones?

[gmpathfinder]

I have P3 paints, mostly. I concur that they're a bit thicker than Reaper. They also have a satiny finish to them that's a bit different.

[Mindwizard]

Ehh I'm not picky I just want stuff that is functional and that won't cause me a headache.

 

Thanks for all the information. That's pretty crazy about the paint brushes. Just Wow. The one's I have used are either the old plastic water color brushes.

Or horse hair brushes.

 

Is there an article on brushes and thing and the hair they use or material?

Thanks for all the info. I will try to get myself some Reaper Paints from the LTP set though.

Even if the Mantic is cheaper. I think the LTP sets area better deal.

[Last Knight]

http://www.reapermini.com/TheCraft/32

 

Having the right brush will make learning to paint a much more enjoyable experience. Trying to paint with a bad brush will make painting a more trying and frustrating one.

 

Even if you are just learning to paint, I recommend getting at least one (if not two or three) of the highest grade of brushes: Kolinsky Sable brushes. A good Kolinsky Sable brush will form a very fine point, last a long time, and have good spring and good snap. I prefer Winsor and Newton Series 7 brushes (in normal size), though the Reaper, Da Vinci, and Raphael brushes are also good. Note that not all "Kolinsky Sable" brushes are of the same quality: even if the brand has two "Kolinsky Sable" lines, the more expensive line will likely have a different feel and performance than the cheaper line. A Winsor & Newton Series 7 #2 brush will cost $28 at an artist supply house, but Dick Blick sells them for about $10, so shop around a bit.

 

If you want to economize a bit, you can buy a Golden Taklon or "White Sable" brush at an arts and crafts store or artist supply house. These synthetic brushes will work fairly well, but won't last as long before they splay and hook at the tip. Even if you buy a set of Kolinsky Sable brushes, you will probably want to pick up one or two synthetic brushes for mixing colors, applying paint over rough surfaces, when you are in a hurry, doing dry brushing, or when you need to reach a tight, highly recessed part of a mini. Look at spending about $3-8 per synthetic brush.

 

In terms of sizes, I recommend getting at least three to start: a #2 (or a #1), a #0, and a #3/0. The #2 will be useful for basecoats, and if you get a good Kolinsky Sable brush, it will have a fine enough point that you can use it for most of your painting. The #0 will be useful for details and for working on shading or highlighting. You will probably only use the #3/0 for the tiniest details.

[Mindwizard]

Awesome sauce thanks.

 

I forgot what it was, but I also read this great article a year ago or so on using Finish floor shiner with the end coat to give the model a shine or a well "Finish" That article you linked is great, but it would be a long time before I would even have half of that stuff.

I'm sure things will come out fine.

 

Thanks for moving the thread. It got a bit too off topic.

 

Not specfically minuature related. Yet a useful guide orginally for gunpla's/robot models. That first got me into learning about painting techniques.

http://otakurevolution.com/content/laymans-gunpla-guide

http://otakurevolution.com/content/gunpla-basics-by-gelgoog-guy-and-others

 

 

I find the Spoon technique for practicing layering helps depending on the miniature.

It defiantly would with larger models. Though in the end I feel that both sites can be helpful. I should reread these.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Mindwizard

[OneBoot]

Regarding Bones Learn to Paint Kits, I knew I'd read something about that recently. I finally found it:

(posts edited slightly to remove unrelated information)

Are Bones LTPKs a for sure thing? Will they include KS1 Bones? KS2 Bones? Something else? Any idea on of there will be a lot of repeat paints in them if I already own LTPKs 1-5? Are you sick of answering Bones LTPK questions?

bones LTPK is something we have been planning and want to do right.

So, there you have it, straight from ReaperBryan. I knew that Reaper had said in a few places that they were planning on Bones LtPKs, but I wanted to find where one of the Reaper folks actually said it.

 

Huzzah!

--OneBoot :D

[Baugi]

I can DEFINITELY say that my Army Painter paints are the thickest ones I own. AP>P3>Vallejo>Reaper for overall thickness on my bench. I have to thin them like crazy compared to anything else.

[unidentifiable]

Regarding Bones Learn to Paint Kits, I knew I'd read something about that recently. I finally found it:

 

(posts edited slightly to remove unrelated information)

 

Are Bones LTPKs a for sure thing? Will they include KS1 Bones? KS2 Bones? Something else? Any idea on of there will be a lot of repeat paints in them if I already own LTPKs 1-5? Are you sick of answering Bones LTPK questions?

bones LTPK is something we have been planning and want to do right.

So, there you have it, straight from ReaperBryan. I knew that Reaper had said in a few places that they were planning on Bones LtPKs, but I wanted to find where one of the Reaper folks actually said it.

 

Huzzah!

--OneBoot :D

 

I'd love a Bones LTPK. I think it also behooves Reaper to provide YouTube Learn-To-Paint sessions. Break down what materials are required first, then tuck into painting. Reaper would make sales from people who wanted to follow the tutorials, but could offer the service (video) for free, which would prevent people who already own the paints from needing to to buy everything a second time just to get access to the instructions. It would also be very, very awesome if Reaper was able to ensure that none of the colours from any of the LTPKs overlapped.

 

Example:

 

"Hello, welcome to Learn to Paint 6: Whites and Blacks, you'll need the following: 9039 Pure White, 9038 Rainy Grey, 9037 Pure Black, <etc>, 77121 'Leila', and 77044 'Turanil', a size 000 round brush, and a #2 flat brush. Everything you need can be purchased in Learn to Paint Kit 6 from Reapermini.com"

 

Then just paint up the mini. People who are new will buy the kits, and veterans will gap-fill to be able to follow along. You lose the revenue from people who "re-buy" the kits just for the instructions, but I think that number of people is very small. I know that I'm far more likely to just source out an internet tutorial than buy a LTPK when I already own most of the paints that they come with, but I'd also spot-purchase paints or minis to follow along with something like this.

 

If Reaper is unwilling to do something along these lines, I would be very interested in a community-driven effort to provide these videos, particularly by those that can actually handle a brush :)

Edited November 1, 2013 by unidentifiable

[FaekiasDracon]

 

Regarding Bones Learn to Paint Kits, I knew I'd read something about that recently. I finally found it:

 

(posts edited slightly to remove unrelated information)

 

Are Bones LTPKs a for sure thing? Will they include KS1 Bones? KS2 Bones? Something else? Any idea on of there will be a lot of repeat paints in them if I already own LTPKs 1-5? Are you sick of answering Bones LTPK questions?

bones LTPK is something we have been planning and want to do right.

So, there you have it, straight from ReaperBryan. I knew that Reaper had said in a few places that they were planning on Bones LtPKs, but I wanted to find where one of the Reaper folks actually said it.

 

Huzzah!

--OneBoot :D

 

I'd love a Bones LTPK. I think it also behooves Reaper to provide YouTube Learn-To-Paint sessions. Break down what materials are required first, then tuck into painting. Reaper would make sales from people who wanted to follow the tutorials, but could offer the service (video) for free, which would prevent people who already own the paints from needing to to buy everything a second time just to get access to the instructions. It would also be very, very awesome if Reaper was able to ensure that none of the colours from any of the LTPKs overlapped.

 

Example:

 

"Hello, welcome to Learn to Paint 6: Whites and Blacks, you'll need the following: 9039 Pure White, 9038 Rainy Grey, 9037 Pure Black, <etc>, 77121 'Leila', and 77044 'Turanil', a size 000 round brush, and a #2 flat brush. Everything you need can be purchased in Learn to Paint Kit 6 from Reapermini.com"

 

Then just paint up the mini. People who are new will buy the kits, and veterans will gap-fill to be able to follow along. You lose the revenue from people who "re-buy" the kits just for the instructions, but I think that number of people is very small. I know that I'm far more likely to just source out an internet tutorial than buy a LTPK when I already own most of the paints that they come with, but I'd also spot-purchase paints or minis to follow along with something like this.

 

If Reaper is unwilling to do something along these lines, I would be very interested in a community-driven effort to provide these videos, particularly by those that can actually handle a brush :)

 

if they don't have time to do the videos themselves, maybe they can offer Buglips the job. his WIP threads and challenge threads are always very enjoyable. Maybe he could even make up stories about the minis as he is painting.

[Arnifix]

I bought all the Reaper L2PK's and have completed two. I've found them to be excellent value if they can teach an idiot like myself to make quite respectable looking miniatures.

 

Wasn't there a confirmation from someone at Reaper a while back that Bones L2PK's were in the works for sometime after the second kickstarter? I might be wrong there, but I could have sworn it had already been flagged as a near inevitability.

[Slendertroll]

They are in the works, yes. I believe the current hold up is getting brushes in sufficient quantity to satisfy the inevitable demand.

[ced1106]

More info why you can't get your brushes:

 

"Trade in kolinsky hair is managed by the provisions set out in the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES). Kolinsky hair comes from the species called mustela siberica. It is important to know that this is NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES, but because of a seldom used provision in CITES, trade in kolinsky hair requires CITES documentation. ... The European CITES authorities insist that the documents they provide conform to the CITES regulations, are complete and valid. Since U.S. authorities now want us to present a different form with the shipments than what is provided to us, they are asking importers to present a document that does not exist."

 

http://www.artistcraftsman.com/sable-hair-brushes-notice

http://www.facebook.com/notes/blick-art-materials/tip-of-the-week-why-cant-i-get-my-favorite-kolinsky-brush/10151768709195874

Edited November 21, 2013 by ced1106

[smokingwreckage]

Bureaucracies are like blood sucking parasites, but not as cute under a microscope.

[ctsteel]

In a way this shortage works even better for me as I want to buy a couple of L2PKs in December once the (assumed to happen) 12 days of Reaper kicks in, and I'm hoping that they can supply me with synthetic brushes in the kits. Perhaps they won't be able to do anything to change it, perhaps they'll decide to go to synthetic versions entirely which I'm totally fine with personally (I have decided against kolinsky brushes as I don't agree with the methods used to trap/kill the animals).

If the kits did come with the kolinsky and they couldn't be changed I guess I would have to deal with it and would just do my utmost to preserve the brushes and not replace them.

[OneBoot]

Thanks for linking the articles, ced. I was trying to find that specific one the other day and wasn't having much luck.

 

Huzzah!

--OneBoot :D