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The lion looks cartoony but not too bad.  Details on the mane look a little sloppy.  Whoever they have doing the physical sculpting is doing a better job than the 3D renders.

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I GOT IT! I got my chargeback. It's not the end of the line for me - I still plan on dogging these guy's footsteps - but it's a real weight off my back as a broke college student to have this refunded

I just confirmed with my credit card that Kickstarter/Amazon/ADW did not dispute the back charge on my $155 pledged to the Ice Age Mammals project within the time provided for a merchant to do so, so

ladystorm has altered the thread.  Pray she does not alter it further.

I love this...

 

"Dina Andrews Walker on May 30

 

Doggerland will NEVER be a28mm game. How could we put the amazing terrain on a normal-sized dining room table with 28mm?"

 

they then do the Ice Age KS...

 

"This KS will produce a set of Hand-Sculpted Ice Age Mammal minis for collectors, dungeon-crawling, RPGs and 28mm tabletop wargames....And, they are 28mm!!"

 

Oh!!! And these two statements are right on the front page...

 

"Depending on the level of funding that the project reaches, the miniatures will either be cast in a durable urethane resin or white pewter metal.

 

The mammals will be sculpted on a 28 millimeter heroic scale and fit with almost all tabletop wargaming and RPG miniatures. Miniatures will be cast in resin."

 

Seems like a lot of back and forth on the decision making.

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I love this community. This helps me avoid the kickstarter project, though, I was avoiding it at the beginning due to the prices.

 

And apologies for bringing this project into light on the board.

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I love this community. This helps me avoid the kickstarter project, though, I was avoiding it at the beginning due to the prices.

 

And apologies for bringing this project into light on the board.

No! Don't apologize! As far as I'm concerned I thank you for bringing this project to the attention of myself and others

I think posting about such projects here does two very beneficial things.

 

Firstly-it brings awareness to folks here of what to look for in a mini kickstarter, what questions to ask, what the warning signs are, and it really helps to educate us all.

 

Secondly-if the project creators happen to read this thread, or if a backer brings up our concerns on the kickstarters comments section, it gives the people behind the kickstarter a chance to respond. Sometimes it even makes them aware of issues they weren't aware existed.

The way a project creator responds goes a long way towards identifying them as a good or bad risk.

In fact two of my favourite projects, Stonehavens Dwarves and OldeWorld miniatures, started their campaigns with me being critical of them just as I have been in this thread. It was the way both companies responded to my criticisms and addressed my concerns that led me to back them both with very happy results! ::):

 

I don't know that's going to happen with this particular project though.

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I love this community. This helps me avoid the kickstarter project, though, I was avoiding it at the beginning due to the prices.

 

And apologies for bringing this project into light on the board.

No! Don't apologize! As far as I'm concerned I thank you for bringing this project to the attention of myself and others

I think posting about such projects here does two very beneficial things.

 

Firstly-it brings awareness to folks here of what to look for in a mini kickstarter, what questions to ask, what the warning signs are, and it really helps to educate us all.

 

Secondly-if the project creators happen to read this thread, or if a backer brings up our concerns on the kickstarters comments section, it gives the people behind the kickstarter a chance to respond. Sometimes it even makes them aware of issues they weren't aware existed.

The way a project creator responds goes a long way towards identifying them as a good or bad risk.

In fact two of my favourite projects, Stonehavens Dwarves and OldeWorld miniatures, started their campaigns with me being critical of them just as I have been in this thread. It was the way both companies responded to my criticisms and addressed my concerns that led me to back them both with very happy results! ::):

 

I don't know that's going to happen with this particular project though.

 

I was the same way with Oathsworn. I remember being very dubious about their first project, but their replies convinced me otherwise, and boy am I glad they did.

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I was the same way with Oathsworn. I remember being very dubious about their first project, but their replies convinced me otherwise, and boy am I glad they did.

 

 

 

Cheers Suden! To be fair, I was dubious about our first project as well... lots of sleepless nights!

 

Anyway, back to the thread - Just to complicate things further on the 15mm/28mm question, Andrea Sfiligoi the rules writer said this yesterday:

 

an update on the ice age mammals kickstarter: all the figures will be hand-sculpted (they added a work in progress pic of the cave lion sculpt).

I will be writing the Doggerland skirmish rules, based on Song of Blades and Heroes, for the company doing this kickstarter (http://www.adwgames.com/). The rules will come with a set of 15mm miniatures (they went for 15mm because they plan to produce some massive monsters and scenery, you can see a WIP castle on their site, and there was a fort pic on The Miniatures page a while ago). The setting is very intriguing – not your usual Tolkien derivative – and this group of creators has been developing it for over 25 years.

If you are interested in the massive ice age animals, please give this Kickstarter a look. They are roughly midway to being funded and there are still 17 days to go. Thanks!

Andrea

 

 

So, is it 28mm or 15mm? Or both? Still not sure...

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The people running this project are rather indecisive aren't they.

Anyway.

 

In my experience, 28mm is a good size for skirmish level games and has pretty much become the established size for them in games I've seen released lately.

 

Smaller sizes are usually better if you want to play large scale battles, but even 15mm is a bit too large for that.

If I recall correctly, Warmaster was 10-12mm and others used minis that were even smaller. Maybe this kickstarter should make them 19&3/4mm and then the minis wouldn't be usuable to anyone.

 

I kind of hope these people don't reach funding, go talk to people in the hobby and mini industry to find out what they did wrong, maybe even hire some of them, then go back to the drawing board and come up with a realistic gameplan.

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LoL!!! First she posts this...

 

About 15 hours ago:

Add ons coming either tonight or tomorrow morning. We are trying to determine what the production scedule is for the 25+ Ice Age Minis that are extras. Plus: someone mentioned wanting dinos?

 

Then she posts this...

 

About 12 hours ago:

If we hit $4,500 this week, we are planning onunlocking minis for Add-ons, and adding to the Base set that everyone gets. Everything helps at this point and we want to share the love.

 

So we are definitely getting add-ons but only if we get to 4.5k. The indecision is now happening within hours...

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How can they determine a production schedule for their minis or settle on a manufacturer when they don't even know if they'll be metal or resin yet?

 

I don't believe they have anyone lined up to make the minis.

I know Siri dropped out of the kickstarter, but if anyone who reads this is still backing, you should ask them in the kickstarter comments section who the manufacturer of their minis will be.

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My guess is also that they might not even have looked into the mini production part yet, the feeling I'm getting is that they perhaps believe this to be a quick, unproblematic step (they have a "Production Pipeline" on the main page which basically just ends with "We send the mini for casting!").

 

Hmmm, this campaign just kind of bothers me somehow, I keep looking back at this thread and their KS; I honestly hope they don't get funded (for their own sake, as well as for the backers). But they seem like they might have a decent chance; over half way there with 16 days to go.

 

They are probably well-intentioned (they have a good deal of artwork, they've done some renders, and they have a couple of sculpted minis; it just seems like a lot of hassle to go through if it was a total scam), but my gut feeling is that they have ambition and perhaps a little hubris that will not serve them well. They just seem to be going ahead without thinking too deeply about things. They tried to Kickstarter their skirmish game earlier this sping (the game that had been developed over the course of 25 years, with 40 expansion already planned out), but then it seems they decided to bring aboard Andrea Sfiligoi to create the game based on his own Song of Blades and Heroes instead (update #11 on their previous campaign). And the game will be 15mm of course. Or 28mm. Or why not do both. Minis in resin. Or metal.

 

Here are some quotes from the main page of their first KS just to show you what I mean with the high ambition (keeping in mind that this company doesn't seem to have produced anything yet):

 

We have over 40 expansions written and over 200 minis detailed and ready to design and produce for Doggerland. Our goal is to have the most detailed, flexible, exciting and engaging skirmish game in the market. A goal that we will support with comics, graphic novels, and additional non-game IP and product, as we move forward.

 

And, with all candour, we are looking to compete with GW, PP and FoW, with the important exception: we have built a world and a game that offers more options in how you can play the game.

 

The Doggerland design library has over 150 wargame and miniature rule sets on its shelves. Yes. We have played them all.  Over the decades, we have, collectively, invested more in miniature games than the cost of a new (2014) German car.

 

Yes, I also have a ridiculous amount of books. But that doesn't make me a game designer.

 

As mentioned earlier, they also have a really, really packed production schedule on their webpage.

 

Oh, and it seems they just started an Indiegogo to fund the production of their own graphic novel...

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/doggerland-graphic-novel

 

Of course, this KS is about the ice age animals, not their skirmish game, but I worry that they are, like with everything else, just getting ahead of themselves with the minis to be produced.

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