Kendal Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 So I use Game Color, and am looking at Game Air. However, I've read something disturbing regarding Cadmium being in Vallejo's paints. While I know this is true for the model colors, and that some game colors have specific titles telling you that there IS Cadmium, does anybody know if there's anything I should be worried about? Cadmium is used largely in Europe, and Vallejo selling that doesn't surprise me. HOWEVER, I buy game color expecting it not to be in there lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazylich Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 So I use Game Color, and am looking at Game Air. However, I've read something disturbing regarding Cadmium being in Vallejo's paints. While I know this is true for the model colors, and that some game colors have specific titles telling you that there IS Cadmium, does anybody know if there's anything I should be worried about? Cadmium is used largely in Europe, and Vallejo selling that doesn't surprise me. HOWEVER, I buy game color expecting it not to be in there lol. As I understand it, their airbrush paints do not contain cadmium pigments, but a few Model/Game Color (non-Air) paints do. MSDS page for Vallejo (hope its ok to link it here): http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/securityIt confirms Cd in Game Color and none in Model Air, but they don't have an MSDS for Game Air specifically. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) So I use Game Color, and am looking at Game Air. However, I've read something disturbing regarding Cadmium being in Vallejo's paints. While I know this is true for the model colors, and that some game colors have specific titles telling you that there IS Cadmium, does anybody know if there's anything I should be worried about? Cadmium is used largely in Europe, and Vallejo selling that doesn't surprise me. HOWEVER, I buy game color expecting it not to be in there lol. As I understand it, their airbrush paints do not contain cadmium pigments, but a few Model/Game Color (non-Air) paints do. MSDS page for Vallejo (hope its ok to link it here): http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/securityIt confirms Cd in Game Color and none in Model Air, but they don't have an MSDS for Game Air specifically. Oh I got quite a few listed lol! Now, I know the cadmium should be 'inert'. I don't lick brushes, but I can get paint on my hands. I see that they have listed this as non hazardous under normal use, and that they consider the toxic materials non hazardous. Still, should I fear anything? Edited November 11, 2015 by Kendal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug's Workshop Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) I'm sure Pingo will be here shortly to answer in more depth, but "nonhazardous" doesn't mean "go ahead and drink it." It means "there's nothing that we've seen that proves this is detrimental to your health, but we don't have to test the stuff." You should not fear cadmium in your paint. But you should be aware of it. If you get a little on your hands, it likely won't cause problems. I have to add the qualifier because everyone's body chemistry is different. (In other words, I'd be considerably more worried about getting into a car accident on the way go game night than I would be about cadmium in my paint.) Gasoline is carcinogenic. Do you drive a car? Processed meats are carcinogenic. So if you eat a lot, you're risk of cancer increases from 14 in 10000 people to . . . hold on to your hat . . . 15 in 10000. Fear? No. Use normal hygiene practices, don't lick your brushes, and don't drink your paint. Note: The above assumes you have a statistically normal risk profile. If you have reason to believe you are at higher risk, take appropriate steps. Edit: I'm a chemist. I've worked with benzene, ether, arsenic trioxide, cyanide compounds, hydrofluoric acid, and heavy metal solutions like lead/cadmium/mercury. My view of "hazard" is colored by my exposure to these chemicals. Plus, more people die every year from water than from any of the causes listed above, yet we all still have water running into our houses, most of us use gasoline vehicles, and a good number have natural gas piped into our homes. Some of us smoke, and that is statistically more likely to give you problems than a little bit of cadmium in your miniature paints. Still, don't lick your brushes. Edited November 11, 2015 by Doug's Workshop 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Lol well that makes me feel better. I didn't worry too much initially, but Cadmium has been on the chopping block by legislation a few times. Can never be too safe, and no people better to ask than other hobbyists. Thanks for the responses! Here's a quick question, and a good time to plug a totally biased answer lol. How are reaper paints in comparison? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auberon Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Another fun example is the handy banana. Did you know that bananas contain potassium 40, a RADIOACTIVE isotope of potassium. In fact, bananas are so radioactive that a truckload of them can set off the radiation alarms installed in ports to detect nuclear weapons. So when was the last time your doctor told you to stop eating bananas before you die of radiation poisoning? . . . What, you are eating bananas for their potassium!? Beware of mutant hoards wandering the streets in the near future! (Work in a lab myself) 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Just threw out all of my bananas. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnjeeps Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think Cadmium is most dangerous when airsolized. Meaning don't use cadmium paints in your airbrush. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug's Workshop Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 In related news, there has been an marked increase of slip and fall injuries outside of Kendal's home. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) That's the snare traps, for the mutant hordes. Edited November 12, 2015 by Kendal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willen Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think Cadmium is most dangerous when airsolized. Meaning don't use cadmium paints in your airbrush. This. I mark my Cadmium-containing paints so that I never use them on the airbrush. All the Game Air paints I have are nice, vibrant and cadmium free. In fact, I bought them for the bright reds I can airbrush safely... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think Cadmium is most dangerous when airsolized. Meaning don't use cadmium paints in your airbrush. This. I mark my Cadmium-containing paints so that I never use them on the airbrush. All the Game Air paints I have are nice, vibrant and cadmium free. In fact, I bought them for the bright reds I can airbrush safely... I don't airbrush, but was recommended that the Vallejo air range is good for standard brush painting. In particular the metals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritOfMadness Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 interesting topic.. I mostly use vallejo model paints but since I started again I bought a lot of new game color paints.. I checked against the pdf and I have a few of those in my arsenal.. Euhmm.. And after i wash my brushes.. I do lick my brushes to get them into a nice point again.. Not any more after reading this.. Thanks for this topic!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ced1106 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Good to hear something good about Vallejo Game Color! I read some negative comments on the paint line, so haven't used it yet. How does it compare to Reaper MSP, Reaper HD, and Army Painter? http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303911-vallejo-game-color-starter-set-review/ http://loserstudio.blogspot.com/2012/01/tools-of-trade-paint-brand-comparison.html#more http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246506-paint-brand-comparison-and-review-games-workshop-vallejo/ http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?31635 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 I would like to know the same. Game Color is great for my uses, however it seems most people approve the model range. Reaper has quite the selection and I wouldn't mind having them if they are worth it. Spirit of Madness yeah you would genuinely think something THAT CAN be so toxic would be avoided in products, like lead paint. It's not on the same scale, but skin absorption and indigestion make you vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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