77183 Frost wyrm + ice (photo heavy)

[SpiritOfMadness 898]

Hey everyone,
 
I've been side tracked for a while but still managed to do some stuff on my models for my Ice diorama.
 
I wanted to use my 2 Shaerileth spiders http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/65465-77180-shaerileth-spider-demoness/ together with a Frost wyrm in an ice cave diorama. I bought some Fimo effects clay to see if I could create a cool ice effect.

I bought a pack of translucent white and a pack of ice blue

 

I tried 3 different things, first I did a thin layer(about 2 mm) of blue and on top of that a thin layer of the white, made some cracks in it and baked it. When it was backed I added a bit of a blue wash on the underside and filled the cracks with a white wash.

 

Next I made a blue layer, again about 2 mm thick and a white layer of the same thickness, made some cracks and baked both

Blue, with a light blue wash on the underside and some white wash in the cracks

 

White, with only a bit of white wash in the cracks

 

The translucency is a lot less than I expected, but the sort of bubbles/patches in the material look pretty convincing for ice with snow or air trapped in it.

I am still not sure which of the 3 I will use and maybe I will come up with something completly different to mimic an Ice sheet. Getting the Fimo to a nice thin sheet is a lot of work and took me close to 3 hours for the three of them. 

 

Which one do you all think looks like the best replication of ice?

 

While baking the different Ice sheets I started on my Frost Wyrm. I cleaned most of the mould lines, washed it, glued it together, added some green stuff in between the parts and primed it with my airbrush and Vallejo Game air Wolf Grey.

When it was primed i noticed a lot more imperfections so I redid the whole thing and added some more green stuff. It seems I find it hard to leave things without some modification so I added an extra horn on his head, redid his right jaw and added some feelers to the side of his head. I also added some green stuff to have all the rocky/scaley things on his back to cover the transition between parts.

I then primed the wyrm again with my airbrush and Vallejo game air Wolf Grey.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have been trying a few different color scemes on paper to find what will best suits him but I am still thinking about which I will use.

Progress will probably be slow, since I have a ton of other things to do and I am also working on a side project.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2015 by SpiritOfMadness

[BLZeebub 2533]

They could all represent ice pretty well depending on the location.  I think the first is the best representation of shallower ice, like on a pond or puddle--or vertically, it looks like the side of a dirty glacier.  The last one looks exactly like packed snow/ice, possibly on a road or field.  The middle reminds me of a deep frozen body--an ice sheet in Antarctica.The lack of deep transparency doesn't hurt anything to my eyes.  Can't wait to see more.

[Glitterwolf 201781]

Very cool!

[wargamer 4165]

looks great so far, I'm looking forward to seeing how this comes out

[Bruunwald 3599]

Numbers 1 and 3 are awesome. Number 1 feels like a frozen lake or glacier, while number 3 feels like ice frosted over more permanently.

 

Number 2 isn't quite convincing me. If I didn't know it was ice, I'd have thought it was some sort of stone texture.

[SpiritOfMadness 898]

Thanks for the reply guys!

 

Since I want to make part of an ice cave I think Much like BlZeebub and Bruunwald, using the first ice for the vertical icewalls of the cave and the third for the plains in front and a part inside..

I am working on another experiment to see if making tapered pieces stuck together will give me a darker lower section and a lighter higher section of ice walls.. The Fimo is really hard to get to a soft condition and the ice blue is even britle when you start and takes a lot of kneading to get it somewhat pliable.. I definitely need to buy more of both of the clays since those packs are really tiny, 2oz or 56grams each and think I will buy some clay softer with it.

 

I want to build up the cave walls with blue foam and then glue the clay pieces onto it.. Its going to be tough to mold the clay into shape against the foam, taking it of the foam and try to keep the form while baking it.

Do any of you maybe have any suggestions on how I could tackle that problem without to much fuzz?

 

For the wyrm I just cant decide what color sceme to use.. I might just keep it with blues and whites, maybe some green.. Aaargh.. choices, choices..

 

[knarthex 61928]

 

Thanks for the reply guys!

 

Since I want to make part of an ice cave I think Much like BlZeebub and Bruunwald, using the first ice for the vertical icewalls of the cave and the third for the plains in front and a part inside..

I am working on another experiment to see if making tapered pieces stuck together will give me a darker lower section and a lighter higher section of ice walls.. The Fimo is really hard to get to a soft condition and the ice blue is even britle when you start and takes a lot of kneading to get it somewhat pliable.. I definitely need to buy more of both of the clays since those packs are really tiny, 2oz or 56grams each and think I will buy some clay softer with it.

 

I want to build up the cave walls with blue foam and then glue the clay pieces onto it.. Its going to be tough to mold the clay into shape against the foam, taking it of the foam and try to keep the form while baking it.

Do any of you maybe have any suggestions on how I could tackle that problem without to much fuzz?

 

For the wyrm I just cant decide what color sceme to use.. I might just keep it with blues and whites, maybe some green.. Aaargh.. choices, choices..

 

 

Maybe try Sculpy instead of Fimo?

I was shocked at how easy it was to knead the sculpey first time I tried it....

 

George

[BLZeebub 2533]

What George said on trying Sculpey (Super Sculpey is stiffer I believe) instead or just mixed in a bit.

 

As for the sculpting against blue board issue...  Can you line the board with wax paper (greased even) and sculpt against that?  The remove the whole thing and gently peel the paper off.  Haven't tried the exact method, but I do a lot of my flat-backed sculpting on wax paper.

[SpiritOfMadness 898]

Does sculpey have special effects clay? The fimo is translucent and gives that nice patches effect.. I have 2 big blocks of sculpey, but that is gray so not really useful for what i intend to use it for..

 

The wax paper seems like a good idea, I will give it a try on a small test piece.. maybe even later tonight..

[BLZeebub 2533]

Does sculpey have special effects clay? The fimo is translucent and gives that nice patches effect.. I have 2 big blocks of sculpey, but that is gray so not really useful for what i intend to use it for..

 

The wax paper seems like a good idea, I will give it a try on a small test piece.. maybe even later tonight..

There's a transparent Sculpey III.  Another polymer clay like Pardo might work as well.  Sculpey is just what I (and apparently a lot of forum members) am used to.

[chaosscorpion 2414]

I like the first base.

[SpiritOfMadness 898]

 

Does sculpey have special effects clay? The fimo is translucent and gives that nice patches effect.. I have 2 big blocks of sculpey, but that is gray so not really useful for what i intend to use it for..

 

The wax paper seems like a good idea, I will give it a try on a small test piece.. maybe even later tonight..

There's a transparent Sculpey III.  Another polymer clay like Pardo might work as well.  Sculpey is just what I (and apparently a lot of forum members) am used to.

 

Thanks, I'll see if i can find it somewhere.

[SpiritOfMadness 898]

I have been googeling translucent polymer clays for the past half hour or so and found a youtube comparison test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImbJlmMhUg

 

I think I'll stick with the fimo and some clay softner

[SpiritOfMadness 898]

I gave the wyrm a base coat yesterday evening with a mix of vallejo Game Color Nightblue mixed with GC Turquoise and a touch of Model Color Transparent Blue. for the belly scales, head and fins  I used a mix of GC Glacier Blue and a tiny drop of GC Turquoise.

After that I gave the whole thing a wash mixed from GC Nightblue and MC Transparent Blue.. It looked horrible   After that I drybrushed him/her with gc turquoise adding a bit of gc glacierblue on each next layer.. Unfortunately my battery was empty so I didnt take any more Photo's except for the basecoats

 

    

 

This morning I saw what I had produced and it looked like euhm.. well.. that brown stuff.. I was relatively pleased with the head so i didn't change much except for some more dry brushing so far. The scales/stones on his/her back I repainted with MC Deep Sky Blue. The belly scales I did with a semi dry brushing coat of GC Off White, then with MC Ivory and last with GC Dead White. It looked nice, but I wanted to add a bit of color so i glaced it with MC Salmon Rose.. I didn't pop enough for me so i redid the glacing with GC Squid Pink. I will do 1 or 2 more layers of glacing in the recesses with the Squid Pink later. 

 

         

 

Still debating on what color I should use for the fins or the legs..

 

Any C&C is always appreciated

[knarthex 61928]

From Wiki:

A remorhaz resembles a gigantic (5 feet (1.5m) wide and 20 feet (6m) long) centipede, only with longer legs. It is segmented, and each segment is jagged and heavily armored. The lower segments of its body bear legs, while the uppermost ones have webbed spines which look like a cobra's fan. Protruding from the back, with two on each segment, are big, red, jewel-like lumps which radiate extreme heat. The jagged, bladed head of the Remorhaz has four antenna-like growths, two coming from the chin/cheeks and two from the forehead. The Remorhaz is bluish-white in color, but has a reddish glow caused by its extreme body heat. The remorhaz has two little wings on its back that can hold the upper part of its body in the air, while the lower remains on the ground.

 

For what its worth...

 

George