SPOILER ALERT Force Awakens SPOILER thread

[Qwyksilver]

Will love if Han some how comes back as a Force Spirit to torment Ben/Kylo Ren

 

1. Guy that completely mocks the Force comes back as a spirit.

2. How horrible would it be to have your dad over your shoulder telling you how badly you;re screwing up.  Constantly.

[SamuraiJack]

I think the lightsaber battle at the end is a magnificently done piece of OSL work.. the way the light and the snow played off one another.. I thought it was my favorite duel so far just because of he cinematics

[Marvin]

Would've liked to have seen more interaction with the trees, though.

[ub3r_n3rd]

Would've liked to have seen more interaction with the trees, though.

Damn it man, they are Jedi and Sith, not treehuggers!

[Marvin]

I's thinking more lumberjacks. Lightsabers in the forest. Blind-samurai-in-Ninja-Scroll opportunity, only bigger, missed.

 

Although my father-in-law is sitting here telling me I just missed some trees falling, so I'unno.

[Qwyksilver]

They cut through a bunch of trees.  But the camera overall, kept a pretty tight focus on the combatants, so you didn't see a lot of them fall, but you did see the sabers slice through the trees.

[ub3r_n3rd]

Yeah they did cut down at least 3-4 trees I noticed.

[Qwyksilver]

Would have been funny, if Finn had survived the lightsaber wounds, only to be lumberjacked by his new bestie with the laser sword.

 

Kylo and Rey stand on opposite sides of the new ravine.  Dude, you cut down that tree!  Nuh-uh.  You did!  You squashed your own new BFF.  Kylo, you're a jerk.  No, I'm a Sith.  Mua-hah-hah-haaaaaaa.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Qwyksilver

[Marvin]

Yeah, saw the trees struck, but they were a nonfactor, at any rate.

[etherial]

Part of the reason the reveal of Luke's parentage works so well in the original trilogy is that it isn't foreshadowed, like, at all before, like, halfway through Empire. Part of the reason the deal with Rey feels so problematic is that they're clearly belaboring the point in setting it up for A BIG HUGE OMG REVEAL later. Han and Leia's Meaningful Glances and buddying up to her--all of it overplays what ought to be a relatively simple--but enjoyable--hand. Going back to the hamhandedness of things, like in a number of other situations JJ simply could've dialed it back a notch and it actually would've worked more effectively.

Yeah, I rewatched it this afternoon and they definitely should have cut down on the foreshadowing, even with Kylo and Han.

[ub3r_n3rd]

 

Part of the reason the reveal of Luke's parentage works so well in the original trilogy is that it isn't foreshadowed, like, at all before, like, halfway through Empire. Part of the reason the deal with Rey feels so problematic is that they're clearly belaboring the point in setting it up for A BIG HUGE OMG REVEAL later. Han and Leia's Meaningful Glances and buddying up to her--all of it overplays what ought to be a relatively simple--but enjoyable--hand. Going back to the hamhandedness of things, like in a number of other situations JJ simply could've dialed it back a notch and it actually would've worked more effectively.

Yeah, I rewatched it this afternoon and they definitely should have cut down on the foreshadowing, even with Kylo and Han.

I disagree. Darth Vader means "dark father". If that isn't foreshadowing or straight up telling people who is Luke's father I don't know what is lol

[Marvin]

Eh, Vader wasn't even Luke's father as far along as the earliest draft of Empire. It worked out marvelously, of course, but it was retconning that made it possible, not planning.

 

 

Though George, in typical George fashion, claimed otherwise at some point.

 

 

Also: "Vader" is Dutch for "father," but "Darth" is not actually a word, IIRC.

[etherial]

I loved the little character details. The way everyone treats BB-8 like a person (so much more so than in the previous films). The entire scene in the TIE Fighter. The way Finn keeps grabbing Rey's hand of Jakku because she is literally the only person in the galaxy who knows he's alive and he's terrified of being alone again. The way Han's battle reflexes are faster than his cognition when he shoots the stormtrooper behind him. How you can really tell what Chewie is saying every time he communicates.

[General308]

I have seen it twice now and I love it.

 

Here is the deal with Ren.   He hasn't fully turned to the Dark side yet.   That is why he struggles with the light side pulling at him.  It is also why he is strongest when he is calm.    When talking to the Vader Totem he begs to be shown the power of the Dark side again.   Which means he likely saw some sort of a Vision we don't know about yet.  But when he is angry and not at peace he becomes weaker unlike previous Star Wars Villans.

 

As to the Saber with Fin and Rey.    You have to remember Ren was hurt from the Bowcaster blast.  Every time he would pound his side he was bleeding everywere.  He was basicly bleeding out during that fight.   Watching it a second time through it felt like Ren was toying with Fin until fin got a luck shot in on his shoulder he then took Fin out quickly.     

 

Rey is another story.   She clearly has training even if she doesn't remember it.   When Ren got into her mind she seemed to start to remember it.   You also have to remember Ren was not trying to kill Rey.   He was ordered to bring her to Snook.  So he was tring to capture here.   Which was a mistake because she again taped in to the force and overpowers him.  Again as soon as Ren becomes uncalm he becomes weak.

 

 

Rey to me is likely Luke's daughter.   Luke's saber had a sort of Sword in the Stone moment and the Saber went to Rey not Ren.   I think that is telling.  Could she still be Leia's maybe but unlikely.   Her music in the fight scene was very much like Luke's.    So for the next year and a half that is what everyone is going to be speculating on.

 

 

Honestly my whole family enjoyed it.  My daughter teared up when Han died(Leia's Fault bye the way.)

[paedia]

Did anyone notice the obvious difference in blade quality of Kylo's saber vs. Luke's, Vader's, etc, etc.? All of the other sabers have very clean blades, very orderly. Kylo's blade is much more chaotic/rough, almost like he built it before he had the required control and patience to do it well.