Moderator Guindyloo Posted February 23, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2016 Oh yeah, the walking dead speech is a really, really great one, actually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman! Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) The creator of The Walking Lame is an idiot. He may not need to detail in the story eactly how the zombies behave and how it infects new victims, but he NEEDS to have the details in order to ensure consistency. If covering yourself with zombie guts in one episode makes you undetectable to zombies in one episode, it probably means that if someone is splattered in the next episode, they won't suddenly turn into zombies. Even the dullest couch potato will sooner or later notice these kinds of crap. Ever read a series of books 'Belgariad' or something like that... Notice how the heroes suddenly have new skills or magic when they need it the most, but not earlier, when it would have been 'useful'? And for godness sake, never ever change the rules or the core concept in the middle of it all. Who the elf! thought that 'midichlorians' was a good idea? Everyone was willing to accept it as 'a mystic force where your willpower decides how stronly you can affect your surroundings'. Now, a bit of a tease. Vampires. They don't show up in mirrors or photos. Why? Because of Silver.(we all know they don't play well with that metal) The back of mirrors are covered in a silver compound. And analog film used silver on the negatives. But is there any silver in the CCD module in a digital camera? If not, will a Vampire show up on digital? I'm assuming that it's the 'first contact' that matters. That is, the light reflected off of a vampire canæt be caught by anything containing silver. But after that? Why would an analog/digital pattern of electricity be affected by silver further on? One way of detecting vampires might be to use cameras in parallell, but eitrher place a mirror or a silver-doped lens in front of one. Push the video streams through a comparative filter, and have it throw up large differences between the images. Edited February 23, 2016 by Gadgetman! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CashWiley Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I don't remember where I read/heard it, but the point of the Walking Dead is that it is *not* story about zombies, but a story about the downfall of humanity and that the title itself refers to the human survivors.No good zombie fiction is about the zombies. The great thing about the Night of the Living Dead is that the only real reason anyone died (other than the little girl who had been bitten previous to the movie timeline) is because of human interaction or mistakes. The Walking Dead telltale game is pretty awesome. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CashWiley Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Like "acoustic guitar", "ice hockey" (or "field hockey" if you prefer), "New York pizza", "manual transmission", .... Sorry, severe linguistic fail. If you tell someone you play hockey, almost everyone would assume you meant ice hockey. New York pizza is 'pizza' (ie: not deep dish/chicago). Transmission I think has flipped assumptions from 'assumed manual' from when I was a kid to 'assumed automatic'. Guitar is wide enough that I'd say there is no assumed default without context (acoustic is assumed when discussing classical or folk music, for instance). Not exactly severe, but certainly pedantic :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Sundseth Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If you tell someone you play hockey, almost everyone would assume you meant ice hockey. Certainly not true in most of the English speaking world, though true in the US and Canada. Most places "hockey" is field hockey. (And field hockey is at least centuries older than ice hockey and depending on definitions, possibly millennia older.) New York pizza is 'pizza' (ie: not deep dish/chicago). True in NYC, but everyone* knows that you can't trust them. Besides, "real pizza" might not allow toppings (depending on who you ask), and that would be sacrilege. And heresy. And wrong, wrong, wrong! Transmission I think has flipped assumptions from 'assumed manual' from when I was a kid to 'assumed automatic'. So, to use your definition, "[manual transmissions] are not real [transmissions], they're modified [transmissions]"? Guitar is wide enough that I'd say there is no assumed default without context (acoustic is assumed when discussing classical or folk music, for instance). So, to use your definition, "[acoustic guitars] are not real [guitars], they're modified [guitars]"? Please note that I assiduously avoided "football" as an example. We all know that means ... and only means ... American football. (Oh, we might allow that the Canadian modifications don't do too much violence to the concept, but that's absolutely as far as it can be stretched.) * For a value of "everyone" where "everyone" is defined as "the people who realize that the residents of NYC can't be trusted". Some might call this a version of the No True Scotsman fallacy. They would be wrong, since, as you can see above, the term is well defined. Question begging, now.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Darsc Zacal Posted February 23, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2016 So if I'm following the turn this conversation has taken correctly... Zombies are attracted to acoustic guitars, pizza, and manual transmission vehicles, and hockey games (ice or field depending on the nationality of the zombie), Well at least with hockey you have a stick to smash zombie heads with. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Guindyloo Posted February 23, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2016 I don't remember where I read/heard it, but the point of the Walking Dead is that it is *not* story about zombies, but a story about the downfall of humanity and that the title itself refers to the human survivors. That is very much the theme - I've always said that the people as the real monsters is my favourite thing about The Walking Dead. You don't always see it as much in the tv show as the comic. The Governor, for example, is extremely tame in the tv show compared to what he is in the comic. But the zombies are the catalyst and are still a huge part of the story (and for some people the entire point) and so your catalyst should make as much sense as possible. I think that the tv show has been far less consistent than the comic as to the zombie rules. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowley Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 So if I'm following the turn this conversation has taken correctly... Zombies are attracted to acoustic guitars, pizza, and manual transmission vehicles, and hockey games (ice or field depending on the nationality of the zombie), Well at least with hockey you have a stick to smash zombie heads with. I like it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CashWiley Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If you tell someone you play hockey, almost everyone would assume you meant ice hockey. Certainly not true in most of the English speaking world, though true in the US and Canada. Most places "hockey" is field hockey. (And field hockey is at least centuries older than ice hockey and depending on definitions, possibly millennia older.) New York pizza is 'pizza' (ie: not deep dish/chicago). True in NYC, but everyone* knows that you can't trust them. Besides, "real pizza" might not allow toppings (depending on who you ask), and that would be sacrilege. And heresy. And wrong, wrong, wrong! Transmission I think has flipped assumptions from 'assumed manual' from when I was a kid to 'assumed automatic'. So, to use your definition, "[manual transmissions] are not real [transmissions], they're modified [transmissions]"? Guitar is wide enough that I'd say there is no assumed default without context (acoustic is assumed when discussing classical or folk music, for instance). So, to use your definition, "[acoustic guitars] are not real [guitars], they're modified [guitars]"? Please note that I assiduously avoided "football" as an example. We all know that means ... and only means ... American football. (Oh, we might allow that the Canadian modifications don't do too much violence to the concept, but that's absolutely as far as it can be stretched.) * For a value of "everyone" where "everyone" is defined as "the people who realize that the residents of NYC can't be trusted". Some might call this a version of the No True Scotsman fallacy. They would be wrong, since, as you can see above, the term is well defined. Question begging, now.... I bet you're fun at parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Darsc Zacal Posted February 23, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2016 I find it interesting that hearing appears to be one of the few things that improves when one becomes a zombie. Several times I've seen a large loosely grouped horde of zombies all turn in unison towards a loud noise like a gunshot some distance away. I've no doubt that if you had a similar group of living folks, and fired that same gun, and asked people to point in the direction it came from, that you'd have them pointing in several different directions, with some folks asking "What gunshot?" 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowley Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I find it interesting that hearing appears to be one of the few things that improves when one becomes a zombie. Several times I've seen a large loosely grouped horde of zombies all turn in unison towards a loud noise like a gunshot some distance away. I've no doubt that if you had a similar group of living folks, and fired that same gun, and asked people to point in the direction it came from, that you'd have them pointing in several different directions, with some folks asking "What gunshot?" Localized hive mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman! Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 That seems the most sensible explanation. Otherwise, even the largest zombie crowd would be easy to defeat. It would also explain why they don't try to eat each other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Darsc Zacal Posted February 23, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2016 Geeze. Those zombies really are everywhere and show up unexpectedly. Just returned home from grocery shopping to find AMC is showing the 2004 Dawn of the Dead movie. Recording it to expand my zombie knowledge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Chaoswolf Posted February 23, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm a fan of both The Walking Dead as a comic and as a tv show, but it's an unfortunate fact that they have established rules without any explanation and part of that is due to the creator's refusal to explore and/or explain the origin of the zombie outbreak. He's literally said that the subject doesn't interest him. "I have ideas [about the cause of the zombie plague]...but it's nothing set in stone because I never plan on writing it. So yes...I do know...kind of." and ""...That starts to get into the origin of all this stuff, and I think that's unimportant to the series itself. There will be smaller answers as things progress...but never will we see the whole picture." It doesn't bother me that the characters don't know how it happened. They've established that things went downhill really quickly so no one really knew what happened. I'm fine with that. But in my opinion, if the creator and writers are flat out refusing to explore the origin, then you're establishing that you can do whatever you want and it doesn't have to make sense, which is a shame. So, how then does 'Fear the Walking Dead' fir in to things? I thought one of the draws for it was supposed to be a little more knowledge of what happened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jim Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 It didn't really explain anything, it was just showing the zombie apocalypse from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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