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Frankly, I can't be bothered to worry about this sort of thing.  In my opinion, I hardly set the world on fire when it comes to painting, yet people consistently pay me to do their stuff.  YMMV. 

 

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I'm agreeing with Dougs Workshop, be like Bob Ross. It's all about what makes you happy!

 

You could paint the most amazing mini ever and not be happy. Or you could compare yourself to some other painter and never think your stuff is good enough. Just be the best painter you can and paint stuff that makes you happy :)

 

And you could argue we are all newbies because you will always be learning new stuff. It's an awesome hobby!

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Man, this thread is bringing out the rainbows and unicorns!

 

While I can be pretty hard on my own work, I do enjoy painting and like most of what I do. For me, comparing my work to others and striving to improve is just how I am, it's part of the fun. We're in a golden age of information about the hobby, where the idea of a 'ranking system' is even possible, because you can see what painters in Poland or South Korea are up to. When I was a kid, I knew two people who painted minis! I wasn't one, heh. Heck, being able to sit and watch Soshie livestream is mind-blowing for an old timer like me, what an amazing opportunity to virtually sit in the room with a great painter and watch her work (and totally steal ideas - that's why I was back into 2-brush blending a bit recently)!

 

Not to say I don't respect others who enjoy the hobby in their own way, not at all!

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Interesting discussion:

 

My input is rather simplistic.  I don't need a label, and I don't need a title.

I am just a guy that loves a great sculpted miniature that is going to challenge me to do my best,

teach me something new, and push my creative envelope a bit more.

I compete against no-one but myself. 

I love what I do, and do what I love with them.

One of my brother's said "jay you are a fool for not selling these"... I responded

"I refuse to interject someone's concepts that I don't know into my painting"

I never want to compromise MY VISION with someone's wants, I would stop painting mini's the first

day I did that.

There are only two labels that concern me.. "Men's Room / Ladies Room" I wouldn't want to upset someone !

The other titles are ehh !

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<< Speed Drybrushing

 

Cuz that's what my post # title on Dakka says :P

 

seriously, painting's about joy and experience. There is some skill obviously, and art to it, but the lovely thing about this hobby, with a little patience, anyone can turn out a decent model! Anyone!

 

Unlike some endeavours where even staying in the lines is tough :P

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 I am a complete and utter hack, and anything that may accidentally pass for talent is simply the result of 29 years of practice...

 

I aspire to mediocrity. But not particularly hard, cuz I'm lazy like that.

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Level 1: Rogue

2: Footpad

3: Cutpurse

4: Robber

5: Burglar

6: Filcher

7: Sharper

8: Magsman? WTH?

9: Thief

10: Master Thief

 

I wondered if it would be productive to create a universal system here for newcomers to use to describe themselves.

 

Level 1: Newbie

2: Novice

5: Veteran

6: Advanced

7: Teacher

8: Work for commission

9: Professional

10: Bob Ross

 

...Thoughts?

Thoughts list:

A) Papers & Paychecks absolutely needs the level titles chart though. We should work on finishing it out.

 

B) What happened to 3 & 4?

 

C)...

11. Surrealist

12. Michelangelo

 

Couldn't think of titles that fit, but somebody said Journeyman higher up in the thread, but they had it after Veteran, and I think it should be just above Novice. I stole it to add to my profile. I think I'm above a Novice, but below a Veteran. That still leaves one more title depending on whether you have Journeyman at 3 or 4. What's the other?

Brush-Licker could be in there somewhere. More amusing and colorful titles are better.

 

BTW, Magsman is Aussie slang for a type of swindler/thief; a street con-artist, it's associated with the pitch-and-toss coins game (no idea how the con works in conjunction with the game).

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I think it's almost a given to all painters to be curious about how good they actually are. I think I did the same thing last year. But in the art world it's waaaaay too subjective, because there are so many different styles that occasionally seem completely at odds with the others.

 

For example, Rembrandt and Van Gogh are both recognized as masters, but their styles are worlds apart. In the world of minis, Rembrandt would be big on realistic looking dioramas, and Van Gogh would be a speed painter with kickass colors that look weird up close but amazing at normal viewing distance.

 

Obviously, practice-practice-practice will make anyone better. But you also have to realize how much time some of the "masters" spend on their minis to be competition winners. When one of them talks about layering techniques and shows you wonderful results, but also realize that he said he worked on that kneecap for two hours. You sort of stop to think that though you may have the talent, you may not have the patience to be *that* good. Some painters can spend a hundred hours on a single piece.

 

From my personal experience, I know the first time I successfully realized my layering was working was after many, many, MANY thin layers of paint. I *was* doing it right, but at the same time I couldn't shake the feeling that I wasn't making any significant progress in my free time.

 

These days, I know I can paint "better" on some minis, but then I reach a certain level of "good enough" for the time it takes me. So I call it quits and move to the next mini in my pile. I could paint a mini a day and still have several years worth of minis, and I currently do not paint every day (nor week), so I have to compromise somewhere.

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For example, Rembrandt and Van Gogh are both recognized as masters, but their styles are worlds apart. In the world of minis, Rembrandt would be big on realistic looking dioramas, and Van Gogh would be a speed painter with kickass colors that look weird up close but amazing at normal viewing distance.

Not to tread too far down this tangent, but....

 

Banshee is pushing for more Impressionist painting in minis, which shares the same risk that happened in the art world. While someone like Van Gogh is clearly a master, if you look at a good exhibit of Impressionism you'll see a lot of mediocre work mixed in, often by well-known artists who sell for 6 or 7 figures.

 

The thing is, the Impressionists were mostly classically trained in formal art schools (as Van Gogh was, so he'd be a competition-level painter doing speed paints, not an army painter doing them; following your example). This forms a basis for skilled application of his creative flourishes. As the movement gained in popularity, people began skipping ahead to the creative flourishes without the fundamentals. Eventually anyone could sling (sometimes literally) paint onto a canvas and make up some story about how it's art.

 

So I am concerned about this with mini painting. Sure, things are silly with an over-emphasis on smooth blends as 'the' way (it's a great and valid method, but there is an over-emphasis on blending that can't be denied), and the highlighting everything to white is just silly. So there's room for new voices and styles, certainly. But at some point I can see people who simply can't blend (and I say this as a crappy blender Futurama-Bender-Unit-22-icon.png) and call it a 'style'.

 

/siderant

 

To bring it back around, if you're painting for giggles or just to have colored gaming pieces, none of this applies, really. But if you're painting stuff to put on a shelf or even thinking of entering a competition, you should be striving to learn and apply modern fundamentals. The tools to learn are abundant. And learning and improving are some of the most important pursuits in life.

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So...wait, I have to be as good as CashWiley to be intermediate?!  *Burns hobby room to the ground*

 

This seems to be in line with the Tabletop vs Display discussion in an earlier thread.  For myself I am definitely in the amateur stage still, though I have gotten the hang of a number of "beginner" techniques, and have started practicing some more "advanced" techniques.  The most important thing for me is do I like how it looks on the table, and I do!

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"Intermediate" is a catchall. People who have just started see themselves as intermediate because they remember all of the things they have already learned. People who are very good indeed see themselves as intermediate because they see all the ways they could be better.

 

This isn't just a miniatures thing, btw; the same is true in many parts of life.

 

Separating out that vast middle ground between true beginners and true masters is complex ... and might not be possible.

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I'd be a higher level painter, but I've multi-classed into too many other things.

Have you dipped into the best class yet? Barbarian is the best class btw.... 

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