Lead rot or...?

[NomadZeke]

A question for the greater reaper hive mind:

I had 8 figures in a simple green bath...which I forgot about for many months. The archer left torso has a divot, as does the center torso ('83). Chick in right hand side(97) has her entire rear end gone. Figure center is the arm from a Pillager mech(93). A striker light tank (88?) has a similar divot formation on the cockpit and the turret. There was a magnet in the arm where the black hole is, the brown discoloration was not paint. Lead rot? Or did I unleash a hellish chemical reaction?

 

[Pingo]

Are you saying that chunks of these figures (and possibly a magnet) melted away in your Simple Green solution?

 

 

 

 

ETA: Just wanted to add that it probably is not lead rot as commonly understood. That forms grey blisters and a toxic white powder in the presence of acetic acid (vinegar), either liquid or fumes. This looks more like the bronze coloration that can form on old Ral Partha "ralidium" (not lead) figures.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Pingo

[Kheprera]

That's what it looks like.

[NomadZeke]

Are you saying that chunks of these figures (and possibly a magnet) melted away in your Simple Green solution?

That's what I'm guessing. Something between the SG (it was orange scented), super glue, metal types, and magnet?

Edited October 5, 2016 by NomadZeke

[knarthex]

Yes that is what he is saying.

We are discussing it on the hangouts...

I think the magnets dissolving, 2 different blends of metal, the simple green, and the amount of time spent soaking is the culprit...

[ShadowRaven]

the archer should be salvageable at least (thank goodness, I would hunt you down for the death of an unseen) 

[NomadZeke]

the archer should be salvageable at least (thank goodness, I would hunt you down for the death of an unseen) 

Battle damage.

[Jokemeister]

the archer should be salvageable at least (thank goodness, I would hunt you down for the death of an unseen) 

 

I'll be right there with you!

 

 

the archer should be salvageable at least (thank goodness, I would hunt you down for the death of an unseen) 

Battle damage.

 

 

Correct - that is exactly what we will tell people when they ask what happened to you. 

[NomadZeke]

Are you saying that chunks of these figures (and possibly a magnet) melted away in your Simple Green solution?

 

 

 

 

ETA: Just wanted to add that it probably is not lead rot as commonly understood. That forms grey blisters and a toxic white powder in the presence of acetic acid (vinegar), either liquid or fumes. This looks more like the bronze coloration that can form on old Ral Partha "ralidium" (not lead) figures.

I should note, the 'brown/bronze' on the tank is paint that i was not feeling like carefully removing when inspecting the damage.

[Vil-hatarn]

I have no idea if the chemistry is right for it...but from the looks of it I'd guess you had a redox reaction going on which dissolved the iron magnets on one side and deposited material to produce the brownish discoloration on the other. The mixture of metal types would definitely be the culprit in that case. Crazy that the magnets dissolved entirely though

[K2h2m3]

I work as an electroplater and use a lot of different chemicals. I'm not surprised the magnet dissolved. What I am surprised at is that it seems you turned the miniatures into mini anodes. The magnet probably played a major role. You basically dissolved the tin into the fluid. Was there sludge in the bottom of the container? If not then the tin molecules stayed suspended in the solution. I'd be curious to know how the parts were laying in the SG.

[Glitterwolf]

I've had such a colouration on a mini due to superglue reacting to cleaning.

[NomadZeke]

I work as an electroplater and use a lot of different chemicals. I'm not surprised the magnet dissolved. What I am surprised at is that it seems you turned the miniatures into mini anodes. The magnet probably played a major role. You basically dissolved the tin into the fluid. Was there sludge in the bottom of the container? If not then the tin molecules stayed suspended in the solution. I'd be curious to know how the parts were laying in the SG.

I'll get a pic of the sg later. But the parts were kinda haphazardly tossed in the solution as I don't normally have precise placement of such

[Bruunwald]

Yes that is what he is saying.

We are discussing it on the hangouts...

I think the magnets dissolving, 2 different blends of metal, the simple green, and the amount of time spent soaking is the culprit...

Don't know about the magnets, but I seriously doubt Simple Green could melt metal, even if given YEARS to do so and even with a mix of metals. I have left multiple minis form different manufacturers in Simple Green for months at a time, and the worst I ever got was discoloration.

 

What would be in a magnet that could cause this sort of reaction?

 

This is just weird to me.

[Pingo]

 

Yes that is what he is saying.

We are discussing it on the hangouts...

I think the magnets dissolving, 2 different blends of metal, the simple green, and the amount of time spent soaking is the culprit...

Don't know about the magnets, but I seriously doubt Simple Green could melt metal, even if given YEARS to do so and even with a mix of metals. I have left multiple minis form different manufacturers in Simple Green for months at a time, and the worst I ever got was discoloration.

 

What would be in a magnet that could cause this sort of reaction?

 

This is just weird to me.

 

 

By itself it might not melt metals, but you can get a chemical reaction (I'm sure it has a name, but I'm an art major) from two different metals and any even slightly reactive liquid, over time.

 

I have seen it happen when someone put aluminum foil over a turkey on a silver platter.

 

I have seen warnings not to put stainless steel flatware and silver touching each other in a dishwasher, surely a fairly mild environment.

 

If that can happen in a dishwasher with just a little soap and water, maybe a mix of tin and lead and an iron magnet can do something appallingly reactive in Simple Green over months.