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That guy with the ruined paint...He seems like he might be a good candidate for this bridge I have for sale.

 

I'll take it, I've got plenty of floorwax to polish it up.

 

It's amazing that people ask for replacements and refunds for their own mistakes. Even more amazing that it's this frequent of an event. Maybe some newbie faq might be useful if it's detected to be the first order from an account on the website.

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Little Icons somewhere is a thought?

 

Right under the add-to-cart button on a multi-part mini a little sideways super glue bottle icon with number (2-9) in it. If clicked on it goes to an info stickup that says "this is a multi part mini with [____] parts. It arrives unassembled and unpainted. Click here for a tutorial on assembling minis."

 

The second place to click goes to the existing page in the craft section about assembling/pinning miniatures.

 

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If somebody orders metal minis for the first time maybe some helpful tip bullet points could be auto-added to their order confirmation page?

 

Something about those melting points...

List of adhesives that work poorly...

Etc.

This is already planned for the next major website update. We teased a picture of what it might look like a while back.

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Little Icons somewhere is a thought?

 

Right under the add-to-cart button on a multi-part mini a little sideways super glue bottle icon with number (2-9) in it. If clicked on it goes to an info stickup that says "this is a multi part mini with [____] parts. It arrives unassembled and unpainted. Click here for a tutorial on assembling minis."

 

The second place to click goes to the existing page in the craft section about assembling/pinning miniatures.

 

~~~~

 

If somebody orders metal minis for the first time maybe some helpful tip bullet points could be auto-added to their order confirmation page?

 

Something about those melting points...

List of adhesives that work poorly...

Etc.

This is already planned for the next major website update. We teased a picture of what it might look like a while back.

 

I fear you will still have a number of people complaining because they didn't read (I am no longer shocked by the amount of stupidity people can and will demonstrate), but I still like the plan. At the least, it gives you something to point them at. ^^;

 

I'm still a little boggled by the floorwax. Then again.. I have heard of people applying makeup - human-type makeup! - to resin, and then flipping a fit when the resin reacted badly to the oils in the makeup. Pro Tip; never use oil-based products on resin, even if you think it will be okay, it probably won't be. :/ ^^;

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Little Icons somewhere is a thought?

 

Right under the add-to-cart button on a multi-part mini a little sideways super glue bottle icon with number (2-9) in it. If clicked on it goes to an info stickup that says "this is a multi part mini with [____] parts. It arrives unassembled and unpainted. Click here for a tutorial on assembling minis."

 

The second place to click goes to the existing page in the craft section about assembling/pinning miniatures.

 

~~~~

 

If somebody orders metal minis for the first time maybe some helpful tip bullet points could be auto-added to their order confirmation page?

 

Something about those melting points...

List of adhesives that work poorly...

Etc.

This is already planned for the next major website update. We teased a picture of what it might look like a while back.
I fear you will still have a number of people complaining because they didn't read (I am no longer shocked by the amount of stupidity people can and will demonstrate), but I still like the plan. At the least, it gives you something to point them at. ^^;

 

I'm still a little boggled by the floorwax. Then again.. I have heard of people applying makeup - human-type makeup! - to resin, and then flipping a fit when the resin reacted badly to the oils in the makeup. Pro Tip; never use oil-based products on resin, even if you think it will be okay, it probably won't be. :/ ^^;

Soooooo,....

 

Oil based Humbrol paints on a resin ship model...?...a bad, bad, bad, terribad idea then?

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So the liner stuff still seems to be the most popular method of "priming" Bones.

 

In my own tests it seems like a coat of HD seems to stand up to the thumbnail test a bit better.

 

But maybe I will mess around a bit more with liner considering everyone else has had good luck with it.

 

So far the pathfinder goblins have taken the most punishment of all my reaper bones and they were base coated with HD and sealed with two layers of watered down brush on acrylic.

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This is a brilliant idea.

 

I still prefer the Stynylres primers for both metal and bones. That said, if I don't feel like having to clean the airbrush after priming, I'll still reach for RMS brush on primer or the brown liner instead.

 

I think I'll have to try this out. I'd like a little less heavy coat, so I may try the same mix with liner and flow aid, but up the water a little. I suspect a 10:2:5 liner:flow-aid:water ratio should work just fine. And it's always easy to add more liner again if I go too far with the water.

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I can't get my head to it...

 

Buying an entire line of paint and mix ALL of them with floorwax?

 

Why not test it on one bottle if you're really under the impression it's a good idea?

 

Whatever your opinion about floorwax, the customer was wrong in this occassion.

You buy something to be used as it is meant to.

 

When you alter it, and it doesn't work anymore it is your own fault.

 

That being said. TS a great idea!!!!

You'd be stunned if we told you how many times a week a customer emailed us to demand a replacement after they damaged the model by attempting to solder it together instead of using glue.

 

 

Melting point for solder is too high, I'm guessing they have puddles instead of figures at the point they call you.  Would work if you had a laser welder (similar to what some jewelers and dentists have available).  I know it's possible, I know a couple guys who work at a jewelry store (and I worked at one with a laser welder, too!), and I can totally see someone using a laser welder, but that's an expensive option for sure! 

 

There are also low melting point solders; I've used the junk playing with a bearing. Unless you have an iron you can control the temperature of, it's evil. That was just a simple patch. Getting a fusion on a couple high-detail pieces? Freaking forget it.

 

 

I can believe a customer mixed all those bottles. I've trashed enough stuff following internet directions to know that even a lot of good advice needs qualifications. What I'm wondering is if Bubba learned to proceed cautiously or still thinks it's reaper's fault. 

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and for transparency's sake, We don't police that you can't but we cannot be held responsible if you do.

 

And I'm very touchy about the "future floor polish as paint additive" issue. Story Time with Unka' ReaperBryan:

 

Some time ago, a customer whom I will call "Bubba", based on advice from the internet (we do not know if it was a forum or you tube or where) bought the complete line of MSPaints - a $700 purchase through our online store. Bubba then also bought 216 (that's how many colors there were at the time) empty dropper bottles. When they arrived, Bubba then set to filling each empty bottle with a mix of future and MSP, and then the bottles with the MSP now had space for it, so he then added future to each of them. 432 bottles of future+MSP, pre mixed.

 

He then tried to use them.

 

Bubba, unsatisfied with the results, then called us and left many angry, hateful, bile-filled, invective spewing rants on our voicemail system about how we had deceived him and stolen about a thousand dollars from him on defective and terrible product.

 

This situation went beyond my customer service skills (and let me tell, you {warning; bragging} there have been very very few customers in 13 years that I couldn't come to accord with) and ultimately, even befuddled Ed and Anne. 

 

It was not resolved pleasantly, nor happily, and to this day, Reaper is very very clear that Future Floor Wax, while recommended by some on the internet, is not compatible with our paints and you use any additives not intended for paint or supplied by us at your own risk.

Why the heck would you buy 216 bottle of paints and add floor polish to them without doing some testing on a couple of bottles beforehand to check that you weren't ruining all your paint?

 

That just seems like an incredibly dumb thing to do.

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This is already planned for the next major website update. We teased a picture of what it might look like a while back.

I fear you will still have a number of people complaining because they didn't read (I am no longer shocked by the amount of stupidity people can and will demonstrate), but I still like the plan. At the least, it gives you something to point them at. ^^;

 

I'm still a little boggled by the floorwax. Then again.. I have heard of people applying makeup - human-type makeup! - to resin, and then flipping a fit when the resin reacted badly to the oils in the makeup. Pro Tip; never use oil-based products on resin, even if you think it will be okay, it probably won't be. :/ ^^;

 

Soooooo,....

 

Oil based Humbrol paints on a resin ship model...?...a bad, bad, bad, terribad idea then?

:blink:

 

I would do a test on a piece of sprue before I did anything with oil-based paints on anything resin, just on general principle.

 

... and recommend at minimum a HEPA-quality mask when sanding resin; it's not just melting it that can be bad for you. Mind, I'm not surprised that isn't common knowledge; most people don't need to know that. But I am surprised that no one reads the instructions; I thought that was standard procedure when starting a new hobby. Or even restarting an old one; materials and practices do change over time.

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I still have quite the fascination with this subject.

 

Never mix solutions of chemicals where you don't know what will happen after.

Never.

 

Sadly this is a thing that claims lives every year.

People mix household chemicals looking to get a better cleaner, and gas themselves.

 

This is why my method has fully given up on washing my minis and I went to school to do some better layering.

 

I am interested in this wash as a primer though. That might be cool to be able to do a quick dip to start bones.

Kind of hard to prime with my safety gear outside in the middle of winter.

 

Why, yes, I do use a respirator, safety glasses and disposable nitrile gloves, thank you for asking.

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