Lars Porsenna Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, Werkrobotwerk said: (now if they could just be encouraged to split the rule books and fluff books. or at least be convinced to put the rules stuff online) Personally I'm convinced if they separated army lists from the fluff, the fluff books will just sit, or not sell in enough numbers to justify widespread availability. Damon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuldGrump Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Twalrus said: It did suck that GW for decades would have options and sometimes entire units that just didn't have models, but removing previously existing things because you aren't planning to make models for them yet kinda sucks more. The rules without models was to promote creativity among their players - so folks would make grav tanks out of deodorant containers and the like. They used to encourage this, up into the nineties, at the least. But they got twitchy when third party companies made those parts - even though GW did not lose money when somebody made parts to be attached to existing GW models. Seriously - instead of suing a company that makes entire models, they went after a company that made aftermarket parts - in spite of the fact that aftermarket parts are legal. (And why you can buy mufflers at Midas, for example.) As I mentioned above - the IP guy at GW had no idea how IP actually works. Companies like Tamaiya, for example, even go so far as to send pre-production models to some of the better aftermarket companies - because having the kits to add detail helps the sales of their own models. GW was looking at those sales of aftermarket kits, and viewing them as lost sales.... Rountree is a lot more competent than Kirby, and is not in permanent panic mode, but he is still saddled with stockholders that were, for a decade and more, informed that third party sales are lost sales.... For what it is worth, a similar case of tunnel vision is part of what shaped 4th edition D&D and the GSL - the view that those third party companies were siphoning off sales, when what they were actually doing was spurring growth. Panic mode and tunnel vision can cause some strange perceptions.... The Auld Grump Edited March 26, 2018 by TheAuldGrump 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werkrobotwerk Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, Lars Porsenna said: Personally I'm convinced if they separated army lists from the fluff, the fluff books will just sit, or not sell in enough numbers to justify widespread availability. Damon. I'm not totally convinced of this. Infinity separates them, and the fluff books still seem to move, even though the full rulles/army lists are available on line for free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 is that available for free, or bootleg-able for free? because there is a difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant_Crunch Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 18 hours ago, Pezler the Polychromatic said: My friend just figured out how to give his boyz a 5+ invulnerable save. Emperor help us all. You have my interest... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werkrobotwerk Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Club said: is that available for free, or bootleg-able for free? because there is a difference. did you mean me? if so I meant free. like go to their website, download rules, use the army builder to get a list with up to date stats and point costs Unrelated, I just realized that I can make the space marine equivalent of an armored company with the assorted vehicles I have sitting around, so YAY! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezler the Polychromatic Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 49 minutes ago, Sergeant_Crunch said: You have my interest... Big Meks are allowed to take Kustom Force Field, which gives all units whose models are entirely within 9" of the Mek a 5+ invulnerable save against ranged weapons. Not perfect, but most orks usually don't get invulnerable saves at all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant_Crunch Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Pezler the Polychromatic said: Big Meks are allowed to take Kustom Force Field, which gives all units whose models are entirely within 9" of the Mek a 5+ invulnerable save against ranged weapons. Not perfect, but most orks usually don't get invulnerable saves at all. Note to self: get a Big Mek in the next round of purchases. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werkrobotwerk Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 hmmm I've now got a playable 50 power of admech, and I'm 2 warriors short of that for necrons. fairly happy with the forgebane thing 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twalrus Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 9:42 PM, Lars Porsenna said: Personally I'm convinced if they separated army lists from the fluff, the fluff books will just sit, or not sell in enough numbers to justify widespread availability. Damon. It's possible a pure resource book would sell less than a rule book but they've certainly done pure fluff releases previously and if they just include sweet enough pictures and conversions I suspect there could be a big enough market. I mean, Black Library technically does nothing but fluff. If nothing else, people would just spend the previous rule book money on miniatures and branch out more because the barrier of getting the book was lifted (which would increase retention between editions). It would be easier to have a main army and then one or two additional Kill Team forces. Encouraging small projects seems important to me and like it could pay off. Buut I'm just a layman crudely applying observations from other companies, Steam sales and the general trend of hobbies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Well you can't have it both ways. Back in 3rd with their "pamphlet" Codicies a common complaint I saw was that they were too light on fluff. So GW releases more comprehensive books and now the complaint is that they are too expensive. Can't win! Personally I feel GW wastes a lot of space in their books on fluff that is not topical or to-the-point, & would be better served with more information dense fluff. I look at the 3e Necrons codex as a good example. Something that size, & that quality of fluff (maybe a little more by cutting out the hobby pagecount) would be a good place for GW's Codicies. That being said, I DO enjoy hardbacks MUCH more, are more handy when writing lists for me (I don't break the spine of my softback books, and feel aghast about people that do, or abuse their books to the point pages are falling out...). and to be fair GW has dropped the price on most of the books with the current edition ($40 as opposed to $50 for most, except Space Marines), so at least there is a trend going here... Damon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezler the Polychromatic Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Been doing a little research lately, some are stating that the Space Wolves codex will be out in May and Orks might possibly be in June. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeneki Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/26/2018 at 2:42 PM, TheAuldGrump said: folks would make grav tanks out of deodorant containers and the like. I've looked at that pic many times but I never thought about it. Now I can't unsee the deodorant. Aaaahhhh ... 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twalrus Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, Jeneki said: I've looked at that pic many times but I never thought about it. Now I can't unsee the deodorant. Aaaahhhh ... In fairness they did include pictures of the assembly process, and iirc they also note that the little turny bit to manipulate the deo stick works nicely as an engine nozzle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitterwolf Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 On 26-3-2018 at 9:44 PM, Werkrobotwerk said: I'm not totally convinced of this. Infinity separates them, and the fluff books still seem to move, even though the full rulles/army lists are available on line for free. Speaking as somebody who doesn't play, I would welcome some Fluff only books from the Warhammer World. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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