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Reaper Bones 4: Enthusiasm and Commentary Thread

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I know from the former Kickstarters that Reaper will deliver.

If it a little later I'm ok with that.

 

I do hope that it doesn't come right after a No Deal Brexit though, we don;t know what happens then.

 

Anyway, looking forward to receive my small packet of a modest amount of minis.

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Updated "I want to paint it right now":

 

The wraiths... Not that I need any more ringwraiths (I have a bunch from GW's LOTR) but I want them... 

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One thing to keep in mind is the factory left for CNY right after they sent the container so they probably didnt even discover it until last week.. 

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Also, remember that Reaper can only give us the information they are given by the factory. Look at some of the other KS projects just listed here to see what REALLY bad communication [or even none] is like. 

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Respectfully, this is why I don't back the kickstarters anymore.  I'll buy the minis I actually want once they're available, but really they shouldn't need money up front anymore after 3 extremely successful kickstarters already.

 

4 kickstarters in and the same delays as every other time, maybe it's time to move production to the US and just charge a bit more for the minis.

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For me I try to buy minis as cheap as possible. That's why I back Kickstarters. I buy a few odds and ends at full price but go in big when they are discounted. $3-4 isn't a bad price for man sized fantasy minis but if I can get them for $0.50 (Can't remember what the rough price was on this) I'm willing to wait. If they charged that little bit more per mini I likely wouldn't have spent hundreds of dollars on each Bones KS or Reaper. There's lots of historical plastic minis out there I'd like to have too and I would've spent my money on them for $1-1.50 each instead. I may not be the typical buyer but Reaper figured out how to efficiently get my money.

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You are correct Vega, they don't need money up front. However by running a KS they can get a large number of figures tooled up and into production years before they would if they were financing the tooling themselves. I have worked in plastic injection molding in the automotive industry and these cut steel tools cost tens of thousands of dollars each. I'm not privy to Reaper's finances, but I know from experience even large automotive suppliers need to borrow money to get the tools made and run prototype parts for testing. Using KS allows Reaper to avoid getting loans (and paying interest); analysis of which sets or add-ons are ordered helps to provide insight into which models might sell well at retail, too. Both of these seem like sound business decisions to me.

 

You are also correct about the difficulties working with overseas suppliers. But I can also tell you that the actual production of parts here in the USA isn't just "a bit more", it's a lot more; on the order of double the cost, even taking into account shipping.

 

We are all a little frustrated by delays, but I expect a company as customer focused as Reaper is stressing more than we are. I just visited the KS page for Bones 4; there were 16,200 backers. That's a lot of orders for a company of 2d12 or 3d12 employees to manage. I would say they are victim of their own success.

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The biggest thing with the delays is that we see them in the kickstarter process. You can bet your tushy that even multi billion dollar companies have delays (caused by stupid stuff like miscommunication) crop up all the time, despite having offices in the manufacturing countries. But we don't see the delays that hasbro and Mattel experience, because they are multi billion dollar companies and don't need to look for financing for their projects. 

 

The goal of the later kickstarter projects for Reaper is the same as for the original: get many more bones minis into production faster than they would if they had to finance the molds one at a time. You may not wish to support the kickstarter process, but without it you wouldn't be able to purchase these minis at all.

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45 minutes ago, Vega said:

Respectfully, this is why I don't back the kickstarters anymore.  I'll buy the minis I actually want once they're available, but really they shouldn't need money up front anymore after 3 extremely successful kickstarters already.

 

4 kickstarters in and the same delays as every other time, maybe it's time to move production to the US and just charge a bit more for the minis.

 

Respectfully, if you don't back the kickstarters anymore, then why are you following this thread?  Those of us who back kickstarters are usually aware of the risks involved and are grownups who don't need to be scolded about our purchasing habits.

 

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I can't add much beyond what others have said, but I'd like to say this (This is aimed at no one in particular):

If you are angry and/or upset about the recent delays and/or communications about them, your feelings are perfectly valid. And you have the right to express them, publicly even.  But please be aware that being abusive towards Reaper and/or its staff or getting a crowd riled up against them who becomes such is not going to be helpful, nor will it get any of us our stuff faster.  Large numbers of direct emails to Reaper won't likely be helpful either, no matter how respectful they are.  Neither will being abusive towards each other.
 

Again, my comments aren't directed at/nor in response to anyone in particular.  I just wanted to say it because a) now that we're officially delayed, history has shown us that people will generally be more testy and outspoken about the delays AND b) as a tech support guy, I've had to deal with abuse that accomplishes nothing over situations I have no control over. 

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With the bi-weekly update format (which I love!) there is always a lot of excitement and anticipation being build up. With the update #115 and the message that the last container was shipped a lot of people, me included, were quite excited that everything was now on the right track and 100% back in Reaper's control. Remembering "back then" there was a lot of anticipation whether or not that container would be on it's ship in time for CNY and when it made it, a lot of people were quite happy, including me.

It's only natural that the excitement has now changed to disappointment about the last container being still in China. I'm not really mad at anyone in particular, but you can't have honest joy and excitement about our toys arriving soon-ish and then expect to be totally untouched by further delays. 

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Hopefully something is decided quickly about whether or not expediting the shipping is feasible so that if they do just ship it over sea (most likely) then at least it can be on its way.  I am hoping that in the next update we can have some more concrete answers.  

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3 hours ago, redambrosia said:

The biggest thing with the delays is that we see them in the kickstarter process. You can bet your tushy that even multi billion dollar companies have delays (caused by stupid stuff like miscommunication) crop up all the time, despite having offices in the manufacturing countries. But we don't see the delays that hasbro and Mattel experience, because they are multi billion dollar companies and don't need to look for financing for their projects. 

 

The goal of the later kickstarter projects for Reaper is the same as for the original: get many more bones minis into production faster than they would if they had to finance the molds one at a time. You may not wish to support the kickstarter process, but without it you wouldn't be able to purchase these minis at all.

Exactly.

 

And often the delays are for the exact same reasons that delays happen during Kickstarters.

 

The Auld Grump

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At least we aren't astrophysicists waiting for the very delayed James Webb Space Telescope. ::P:

 

Delays happen, whether it is to 3d6 Reaper employees, or hundreds of aerospace engineers. Manufacturing stuff is difficult. Coordinating people is difficult. Things break. New things get developed. Fulfillment is near. 

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1 hour ago, Cyradis said:

At least we aren't astrophysicists waiting for the very delayed James Webb Space Telescope. ::P:

 

Delays happen, whether it is to 3d6 Reaper employees, or hundreds of aerospace engineers. Manufacturing stuff is difficult. Coordinating people is difficult. Things break. New things get developed. Fulfillment is near. 

THE END IS NEAR!!

 

Which is good, cause tonight I really want to paint the elephant man from the Lost Valley... 

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