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Archon/Prodos is pretty sketchy as well.

 

So, Paizo chose to back a sketchy company to make miniatures through a sketchy manufacturer - both with documented histories of failure to complete projects.

 

At a guess - and it is very much a guess - ND offered a better deal than WizKids, at a time when Pathfinder was suffering from diminishing sales.

 

@terminalmancer The laughter emoticon is for the comment about Warhammer prices - there are times when Warhammer miniatures cost more than their weight in silver....

 

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@TheAuldGrump Oh, it's fine. I figured! ::P:

 

The word, which I believe I'm remembering came from Paizo, is that neither Reaper nor Wizkids was interested in taking on the Starfinder miniatures license. I vaguely remember Reaper saying something to the effect of "No comment," themselves. As to the whys and wherefores, I don't think we've ever heard any of the details. With significantly more time behind Starfinder and a better idea of how popular it is, I wonder if concrete numbers would make negotiations easier (since the negotiations won't be based solely on projections, presumably) if Paizo were to reopen them. But that's idle speculation if I've ever idly speculated!

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48 minutes ago, TheAuldGrump said:

Archon/Prodos is pretty sketchy as well.

 

So, Paizo chose to back a sketchy company to make miniatures through a sketchy manufacturer - both with documented histories of failure to complete projects.

 

At a guess - and it is very much a guess - ND offered a better deal than WizKids, at a time when Pathfinder was suffering from diminishing sales.

 

@terminalmancer The laughter emoticon is for the comment about Warhammer prices - there are times when Warhammer miniatures cost more than their weight in silver....

 

The Auld Grump

 

 

That was a hell of a gamble, and I'm getting the impression that it isn't going to pay off for them. They'd have been better off to stick with Wizkids, if they wanted prepaints that badly. /speculation

 

There's.. a lot of sketch going on. I'm starting to be actively relieved we didn't back, even though I remember being tempted at the time. Like, REALLY tempted.

But between the expense and the bad timing, it didn't happen.

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1 hour ago, terminalmancer said:

I've mentioned this before but we went in a tiny little bit. I've gotten three minis so far, which... for the $50 I went in for, means I spent $16.67 per mini. So I've got a lot less reason to complain than a lot of backers. At least it beats Warhammer prices...

 

Sounds like my food choices in Vegas over the weekend. LOL

 

Thing is the Stafinder minis made by ND were not prepainted, just a sketchy resin product.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, haldir said:

 

 

 

Thing is the Stafinder minis made by ND were not prepainted, just a sketchy resin product.

 

 

Who made the prepaints? The price on them was stupid expensive and just not worth it.

 

There is something about Reaper and Paizo. I mean when was the last time Reaper produced a PF mini. It is a shame, had Reaper made the Starfinder figs I would have bought a ton.

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The renewing the license between Paizo & Reaper has held up the production of new metal unpainted minis. As for the prepainted ones, I have no idea & when I posted I totally spaced those were in existence & I totally agree at retail those are way overpriced. It's like they priced those to make up for the losses on ND unpainted figures.

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49 minutes ago, haldir said:

The renewing the license between Paizo & Reaper has held up the production of new metal unpainted minis. As for the prepainted ones, I have no idea & when I posted I totally spaced those were in existence & I totally agree at retail those are way overpriced. It's like they priced those to make up for the losses on ND unpainted figures.

 

And only guarantee I'll never buy one.

 

I mean, on the one, there were space ships! And on the other ... WTF, guys. If I want blocky, generic weirdness, I can just as easily scrounge old Aerospace Warships from the Battletech line. 

Think I'll pass on that. Particularly now there are shiny CAV options that are actually nice little ships! 

I can probably turn lizardfolk, dragonmen or troglodytes into decent Vesk - I have glue and patience and nothing to lose. And there are now ratfolk for days; the little guys oughtn't be hard to turn into SPACE!RATS. Again; glue, patience, nothin' to lose.

 

Assuming I ever actually get into a live Starfinder game, which is becoming a really, really bold assumption.

 

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The only Starfinder ships I really wanted were the Bone Fleet. Those are really unique, and when the overpriced prepaints became available at the Warstore I took a deep breath and went in for them. They actually arrived, and they turned out pretty well! For the rest of the ships, I'm not so worried. They're all pretty sci-fi standard. I picked up a bunch of Jovian Wars resins for a reason! (Hmm, I really should paint those.)

 

Rats, humans, and vesk aren't too terrible (although I usually end up wanting to mod them up). Kasatha and shirren are tough, though! And with the emphasis on strange races, things are getting tougher. Skittermanders could maybe be a four-arm mod of a kobold and there are a few humanoid bears/werebears that can be modded into the uplifted bear, but I've gotta sculpt my own barathu with a sniper rifle. At least he's mostly just a jellyfish!  

 

(Unrelated: gasbags without land speeds don't do well in no-gravity no-atmosphere, and do even less well in full-gravity no-atmosphere. It's pretty hilarious.)

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On 2/12/2019 at 4:16 PM, terminalmancer said:

@TheAuldGrump Oh, it's fine. I figured! ::P:

 

The word, which I believe I'm remembering came from Paizo, is that neither Reaper nor Wizkids was interested in taking on the Starfinder miniatures license. I vaguely remember Reaper saying something to the effect of "No comment," themselves. As to the whys and wherefores, I don't think we've ever heard any of the details. With significantly more time behind Starfinder and a better idea of how popular it is, I wonder if concrete numbers would make negotiations easier (since the negotiations won't be based solely on projections, presumably) if Paizo were to reopen them. But that's idle speculation if I've ever idly speculated!

 

Here's a link to what Paizo said about Reaper and WizKids said when declining the Starfinder license offer on the Paizo forums. I'll put the main bit of it in a quote.

 

Jeff Alvarez Chief Operations Officer

We try and be the best licensing partner that we can and part of that, for us, is making our intentions with new product lines known to our current licensees first. When we were ready to discuss the Starfinder brand with our partners, we approached both WizKids and Reaper about the brand and our desire for minis. Obviously we would want to offer a new brand's license to our existing licensees, especially ones that have done such a good job with our brand, but both turned us down. Reaper has their own lines for Sci Fantasy minis and WizKids did not have the sculpting bandwidth for the project. So we turned to Ninja DIvision and they were thrilled with the opportunity.

We've known the guys from Ninja Division for quite some time and have always been impressed with their commitment to quality so it seemed like a great fit. We are still blown away with the sculpts we've been seeing from them and think that this line of resin figures might be the best resins we've ever seen.

 

I agree with Jeff Alvarez about the quality of the sculpts. The 3d renders look modern and stylish. Right up there with Infinity. It's a shame that they'll mostly either never get made, or only get made in fragile expensive resin. I don't play Starfinder, but would love to paint some of them up simply because of how nicely they match the lovely source art. That said, I wouldn't buy any from Ninja Division unless they were severely discounted. The resin looks too breakable and the retail prices will be too high. If this whole thing falls apart I'd like to get some version of these characters in metal or hard plastic from a company I respect. Maybe someday.

 

That said, those space goblins would get my money at retail. Pathfinder goblins always get my money. Over saturated as they are in the market, the goofy little cartoony things always make me smile.

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The resin is really fragile.  I'm a little worried about normal gameplay snapping the elf operative I painted in half or breaking parts off.

 

Though given the latest update from ND, I'm thinking there's a bit too much wishful thinking that needs to come true for these guys to ever see the light of day.  

 

Unless ND owes $$$ to paizo, goes bankrupt and paizo is able to get the sculpts out of bankruptcy court and then find someone willing to work with those.  it's going to be a legal mess that'll require legal professionals to sort through.

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Archon just posted something on their Chronicle X project that talks a little about this situation.  It's in the last few paragraphs of a rather lengthy update (well, not compared to Kingdom Death).

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21 hours ago, Dan d'Lyon said:

Archon just posted something on their Chronicle X project that talks a little about this situation.  It's in the last few paragraphs of a rather lengthy update (well, not compared to Kingdom Death).

That update explained a lot about why Archon products have been slowed, and why Demigods Rising has been dead in the water for six months or so after some games had already been shipped out. Archon joined the Demigods projects late in the process after their first manufacturer (Titan Forge) didn't work out.

 

Then, Archon had to struggle to cover " The potential loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars ". The phrasing is a bit odd, which I'm guessing means they started manufacturing but stopped when they didn't receive payments from Ninja Division to finish. Whatever the case, it seems to have had a serious ripple effect that they have been working to recover from.

 

They apparently have at least some of the stock, because the update also said "Concerning The Ninja Division kickstarter project “Starfinder”, for those of you who are Archon studio backers and have backed Starfinder, you can contact us here:  [email protected]  we can not promise you anything, as we are currently still in discussions with third parties, but we may have a little something to compensate you for the loss of the project at our own expense." Which sounds like they will try and (partially?) fulfill pledges for at least some backers.

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7 hours ago, Suden said:

That update explained a lot about why Archon products have been slowed, and why Demigods Rising has been dead in the water for six months or so after some games had already been shipped out. Archon joined the Demigods projects late in the process after their first manufacturer (Titan Forge) didn't work out.

 

Then, Archon had to struggle to cover " The potential loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars ". The phrasing is a bit odd, which I'm guessing means they started manufacturing but stopped when they didn't receive payments from Ninja Division to finish. Whatever the case, it seems to have had a serious ripple effect that they have been working to recover from.

 

They apparently have at least some of the stock, because the update also said "Concerning The Ninja Division kickstarter project “Starfinder”, for those of you who are Archon studio backers and have backed Starfinder, you can contact us here:  [email protected]  we can not promise you anything, as we are currently still in discussions with third parties, but we may have a little something to compensate you for the loss of the project at our own expense." Which sounds like they will try and (partially?) fulfill pledges for at least some backers.

 

I read the potential loss line as what they stand to lose if ND never pays. From a bookkeeping perspective they haven't lost the money yet, it's still an open receivable that ND is "intending to eventually pay". It's not a loss until they write it off as bad debt, which if I understood some of the discussion about it correctly they might not be able to do over there unless ND declares bankruptcy. 

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I wanted to back this, I liked a lot of the sculpts, even though we don't play Starfinder,

 

Grump talked me out of it, pointing at BOTH the companies involved in the figures.

 

If Grump could see it, so could Paizo, so why was this allowed to go forward? Are they THAT desperate for money and or miniatures?

 

I wanted the blue dragon with shoulder mounted cannon. :lol:

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