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I suspect the whole point of a single pledge level with minimal (or even no) add ons was to get away from all the trouble they've had getting things right in packing and cutting down on the masses of postage they then need to spend on sending out extra stuff

 

(no doubt made worse by chancers who see dozens of people moaning about missing stuff so know the company is now prepared for lots of claims and think they want some extras for free)

 

but of course if a company has been offering loads of flexibility in the past there's going to be push back, and more so as Mantic is seen as least as much as 'minis to use in other games' as 'games I want to play'

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As a gamer, I see the problem is that this is now competing against existing and coming skirmish games (eg. Oathsworn, Song of Blade and Heroes, Frostgrave), and KoW doesn't have a strong enough IP or reputation as a rules designer to stand out. I think Mantic's reputation is to fill in the Warhammer Fantasy army game, and this product isn't doing this. The two factions offered, I think, don't have a large enough fanbase. I think what Mantic should have done was to present this ruleset for six or so factions, and let buyers start with just the rules and game components, then, optionally, add-on one or more factions. 

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The rules do have more than just the 2 factions in the kickstarter. The alpha rules are for 4 of the Kings of War factions, which I think are Undead, Orcs, Dwarves, and Elves. The full rules should have rules for all factions currently in Kings of War.

 

The reason that they've only got the 2 factions on offer with the kickstarter is because Night Stalkers didn't have any Mantic minis and Basileans needed resculpts for a lot of their current minis. Or at least that's my best guess.

 

It would have been a good idea to offer other faction warbands on top of these two though.

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I just took a look at the actual kickstarter page again, and it seems to have lost a fair bit of money. When I checked it before work, I could have sworn it was sitting at about $68k, and now it's down to just under 65. I know it's still a freshly launched thing, but it's also a short one and it seems to be creating a lot of hesitation in its backers right now.

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The newest update added a rulebook-only pledge, which I immediately grabbed.  There update also contains bunch of addons from the existing Kings of War line.  Hopefully it's not too late to regain forward momentum.

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Yea, it's now looking the way it should have at first launch. There's more warbands that use existing minis as options, a two player set that strips the terrain, and a rules only pledge. I think I may be jumping in soon, and going for the Night Stalker warband pledge(I actually do need the terrain), then probably adding in a Basilean warband, an Orc warband, and possibly a Dwarf warband. At the very least I'll add in one extra warband.

 

I just hope more people are convinced to jump in now, because it's 2 and a half days in and it still hasn't hit funded yet. My pledge of $130 just barely put it at $73k.

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Yea, compared to some of their other kickstarters, this one seems a little lackluster and it definitely had a horrible start. But I'm still in for it, and I'm really hoping that it hits at least $85k so we get the stuff already previewed. I'm just worried that given the terrible start it won't go that far.

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Huh. Could have sworn that I saw it say that funding unlocked 10 Men at Arms at one point. Either way, I'm glad that it's reached its funding goal, and I can only hope that it picks up steam from here. I really do want to see it be a blowout success, especially since I missed out on the other various Mantic kickstarters for various reasons ranging from not knowing to lack of funds. Or, well, those are really the only two reasons.

 

But I like Kings of War, despite my lack of ability to play it with any real frequency, and I think this will help scratch a bit of skirmish itching. And it will hopefully help fund the production of a bunch more models for armies that don't have them already. Official Varangur, come on!

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