Star Wars: What's going on? (SPOILERS)

[Sirithiliel]

that'd at least be better than what we have now, far fetched as it is

 

right now she has no bloodline or background in the force, and yet can magically get skilled masterful jedi abilities just because a sith in the galaxy is also gaining power. It's...well, it's stupid. They're warping the world, the lore, the mechanics already established in previous movies in order to make the character work rather than have her WORK to obtain her skills and powers

 

i mean geez, was it that hard to let Luke train her on the island, and show training montage like Yoda trained Luke? SHe'd at least have some REASON to be able to do what she did, rather than 'oh the force gave her those powers because Kylo was getting stronger'

[Paradoxical Mouse]

Just now, Sirithiliel said:

that'd at least be better than what we have now, far fetched as it is

 

right now she has no bloodline or background in the force, and yet can magically get skilled masterful jedi abilities just because a sith in the galaxy is also gaining power. It's...well, it's stupid. They're warping the world, the lore, the mechanics already established in previous movies in order to make the character work rather than have her WORK to obtain her skills and powers

 

i mean geez, was it that hard to let Luke train her on the island, and show training montage like Yoda trained Luke? SHe'd at least have some REASON to be able to do what she did, rather than 'oh the force gave her those powers because Kylo was getting stronger'

I'm hoping they connect it in to the "prophecy" in the final movie. Not once did it say only Anakin was to bring balance to the force - I think he started the ball rolling. Her parents are insignificant because I think she was likely from a situation very similar to Anakin. I expect that Kylo/Rey are innately connected through the force; we haven't seen something similar to what *insert 5 minute villain name that I can't remember* did before. There has to be a reason for him to have been able to connect them like that. Luke did do a small amount of training for Rey - but she's relying on instinct much more. Jedi had to train because they were taught to ignore their instincts; Rey's been alone all of her life so she has needed to use her instincts to survive. 

 

Most of my knowledge, btw, comes from people ranting about extended universe and gray knights (pre-Jedi/Sith). It's my understanding that many gray knights were similar to Rey and were able to instinctively use the force.

[Sirithiliel]

instinctual use is one thing, i don't mind that

 

but she's showing far more than just going with instincts IMO. Being able to completely force-manipulate someone for the first time ever trying just seems a bit out there in terms of it being instinctual, you know? 

 

i dunno. She just has so much going on with her that are too perfect and too easy for her. She can repair the Falcon when Han can't, Han who has worked on it for years, flown it for years. SHE Can do it. I want to see some actual character development, some struggle, some reason to care about her

 

because right now, i dont' care about her. I was bored in the last hour of the film, waiting for it to be over. I had no emotional connection to any of the characters, and none of them were ever in any serious danger because some deus ex machina always popped up (usually as BB8) to save them. 

 

i guess i like characters with flaws, with reasons for being, who WORK to get where they are in life rather than get it all handed to them by the magical force =/ 

 

(also i don't consider her struggle to find her parents as a actual predicament or reason to care. Han went through hell in the movies, Leia and Luke both had to face severe adversity. Rey just breezes through it all without ever giving me a sense of wanting to root for her or care what happens to her. Heck, i enjoyed the Rogue One characters far more than any of the ones in the recent two movies)

[Guest]

Reading some online wikis, it seems it is believed that Anakin's father is The Force, so... immaculate conception type thing. Also speculation that he was a creation of The Force and that the same "Force" being/energy/spirit altered his mother's memories so she really believed Anakin was her birth child.

 

This could be used to explain Rey's parents/creation. As for her abilities, she could have been trained, but has had her memories altered in order to protect her from the Sith.

 

There are ways to salvage this. Just because Kylo or Snoke say her parents were nobody junk traders doesn't make it truth.

 

In much of this I blame the writers. People who aren't familiar enough with the lore. I mean, how hard is it to sit down with Google and travel down the wiki lore rabbit hole?

 

I admit to connecting more with Phasma, Holdo, and Hux.

 

Maybe it's time for a SW movie from the POV of "The Dark Side"/The Republic.

[Sirithiliel]

i agree with you, i feel more connected to the villains in the movie and a villain POV movie would be quite entertaining

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, Sirithiliel said:

i dunno. She just has so much going on with her that are too perfect and too easy for her. She can repair the Falcon when Han can't, Han who has worked on it for years, flown it for years. SHE Can do it. I want to see some actual character development, some struggle, some reason to care about her

 

 

Snipping because I had a sudden thought about this...

 

She's Adeptus Mechanicus! She can talk to the Machine Spirit!

[Pegazus]

Aha! Found a theory for Rey's phenomenal prowess! Spoilers!

 

Spoiler

She bought the loot crates!

 

Nakes sew mulch since nao!

 

Donnit?

[Sirithiliel]

4 minutes ago, Pegazus said:

Aha! Found a theory for Rey's phenomenal prowess! Spoilers!

 

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She bought the loot crates!

 

Nakes sew mulch since nao!

 

Donnit?

 

OMG it all makes sense...that or she's a hacker

 

[ub3r_n3rd]

7 hours ago, Sirithiliel said:

that'd at least be better than what we have now, far fetched as it is

 

right now she has no bloodline or background in the force, and yet can magically get skilled masterful jedi abilities just because a sith in the galaxy is also gaining power. It's...well, it's stupid. They're warping the world, the lore, the mechanics already established in previous movies in order to make the character work rather than have her WORK to obtain her skills and powers

 

i mean geez, was it that hard to let Luke train her on the island, and show training montage like Yoda trained Luke? SHe'd at least have some REASON to be able to do what she did, rather than 'oh the force gave her those powers because Kylo was getting stronger'

I think a lot of people forget that Luke trained with Ben for a day or two, then Yoda for a couple weeks and suddenly he’s a full fledged Jedi able to go toe-to-toe with the one of most powerful and skilled Sith ever in Darth Vader and even defeat him in front of the Emperor. 

 

We we find out that Jedi training should take many many many years to reach Jedi Knight. Anakin was “too old” according to Yoda in Episode 1 to even start training to become a Jedi. 

 

So, it’s a bit of a rehash with no real argument for the hate Rey gets as she’s able to stand up to and fight/defeat a very hurt Kylo (shot in the side by Chewy’s crossbow blaster that sends stormtroopers flying 30 feet back and get Han’s great approval) in TFA and then she gains in power in TLJ (just like Luke). She actually was really good at defending herself living in a harsh unforgiving climate and knows how to fight! Luke was a whiny farm boy in A New Hope with no previous training at all. 

[Sirithiliel]

And fixing the Millennium falcon when Han, who had flown and owned it for so much longer and should know the ins and outs of that 'pile of junk' much better than her? 

I can see people picking up how to fight, how to lift stuff. But what about 100% immediately mastering how to force manipulate someone's mind on the very first go? 

I dunno. As i said, i like to see characters earn stuff and so far all i see is her being given these special amazing powers to make the plot work. SHe feels like a very one dimensional character with no reason to like her or care about what happens to her, to me at least. I know otherts will feel differently but her character rubs me the wrong way with always being perfect in everything she wants to do.

 

they could give her one thing to be bad at and show her failing at it, no? Maybe? Or is that too much to ask for there to be a flaw in this character? =P sure she's a bit gullible to be tricked into going to Kylo Ren, but that's okay because she didn't actually get any harm out of it. What mistakes she does make don't actually affect her in any real way

 

i guess i just expect too much from movies now a days and prefer characters with some substance and reason for being beyond 'she has powers becuase Kylo ren has powers and she magically gets power equal to his'

[Dr.Bedlam]

Luke got to be a Jedi in... what, two, three weeks on Dagobah? A month?

It does kind of make me wonder why all the Younglings didn't just get together and chop Anakin Skywalker into burnt confetti. THEY trained under Yoda, TOO!

[Sirithiliel]

19 minutes ago, Dr.Bedlam said:

Luke got to be a Jedi in... what, two, three weeks on Dagobah? A month?

 

 

which is indeed absurd as well haha, but not as ludicrous as Rey becoming a pro in DAYS xD

[Marvin]

18 minutes ago, Sirithiliel said:

As i said, i like to see characters earn stuff

 

Apologies if this already has been mentioned, but this right here is the crux of the issue, I think. The viewer wants to see it. It's why we got all those glorious musical montages in the 80s.

 

Real time is really beside the point--and Luke's quick/late learning is only really rendered in the metaphysical by the prequels' retconning  anyway, and that's a whole other issue--and at best takes a backseat to giving the viewer a sense of movement and achievement. Hence, the feeling that Luke earns his abilities. He has to meet up with Ben. He starts training. He has only the loosest innate advantage at first. He travels to find a master. Trains. Learns. Struggles. Etc. It's well-crafted writing.

 

I still haven't watched TLJ, so I can't speak to how it goes there, but that dynamic is totally missing in TFA. Rey is pretty much what the kids used to call, back in the early days of the Internets, a Mary Sue. She's super-special! And don't you forget it.

 

Also, just want to point out that farming is a pretty demanding and educational occupation for a young man. Develops strength and a wide variety of skills. 

 

 

 

Apologies again if this already has been posted somewhere, but I just saw it today. Legit made me sad. It's plain that none of the people running the show now have any feel at all for the characters or how a narrative or character arc functions.

 

 

[Sirithiliel]

oh gosh that is sad =(

I hated what they did to that character

[Marvin]

On 1/7/2018 at 7:28 PM, Sirithiliel said:

she is a badly written Mary Sue that is amazing at everything she does, even things that should require decades of Jedi training. She just immediately Masters them

 

See, I should read threads before drunkenly stumbling onto the last page.

 

 

 

 

...I wanna go start a "top 10 worst Mary Sue moments in Twilight" thread now. I miss 2005.