bossman Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 The title says it all. There has been a private facebook group with occasional interaction from Bill Barsh the proprietor of Pacesetter Games that bought the mouds out of the Center Stage Miniatures bankruptcy and pre-sold them again to the unsuspecting public Unfortunately the line must be cursed as there have been big problems on miniature delivers and haughty communications following representations of deliveries been made which were false and over a year old. Is anyone else in the same boat or considering transacting with Pacesetter. *-Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I backed the ToH kickstarters and went on to purchase the complete collection from Pacesetter at a hefty discount. I received a package which contained most of the ‘complete’ collection but promises by Bill Barsh to send out the missing pieces were never fulfilled. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleH Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I had also back the ToH kickstarters, but after their failure, I didn't feel like throwing even more money at those mini's. At times I wish I would have, since I'm currently running a campaign that uses the ToH extensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaroorex Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I backed the kickstarters and also went on to purchase minis from Pacesetter. Although I do consider that I got acceptable value for my investment (between the free download certificate from Frog God Games and the discount from pacesetter) I would be very cautious about approaching Pacesetter for any additional minis. I am still missing a couple of minis but after the first couple of exchanges, they just weren't worth the hassle. Bill was very hard to communicate with, sometimes requiring multiple emails from multiple sources to get his attention. To be fair, everyone manufacturer who touches that series of minis seems to suffer horribly from both personal and business related misery. Kickstarter was new and the costs of those minis were unbelievably low. And then there was the question about whether or not the artists ever got paid for their work. Not the finest kickstarter moment ever. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Thanks for the responses. I must say I was surprised that Pacesetter Games got it wrong given they have been around for some time and Bill Barsh seems to be pretty well known. I kick myself for not recognizing the red flag when Bill Barsh was defensive of Matt Solarz. I understand that Matt made poor business decisions (and in my view misused Kickstarter funds) but it was the personal lies that irked me and now its deja vu with Bill. I don't know how these people can walk into a room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citrine Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 We got a lot of the minis with many extras we didn't order, but our box was also missing a bunch. Never heard back about the 2 emails I sent, so we are going to call it quits and not buy anything else from him ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The project certainly does seem cursed, Solarz and Barsh are both in my little book of 'wouldn't p*ss on them if they were on fire' , and it's a very very small book 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaroorex Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/20/2018 at 1:31 PM, Beagle said: The project certainly does seem cursed, Solarz and Barsh are both in my little book of 'wouldn't p*ss on them if they were on fire' , and it's a very very small book Given your avatar, that is quite a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGP Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I knew nothing about this / these. ToH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kangaroorex said: Given your avatar, that is quite a statement. What Can I say? People who steal my money are irritating.....and deserve to burn to death 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suden Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I had pretty good luck with my minis. I think only one was missing, and it was because the sculpt had vanished (ogre mage I think). They are very nice minis, it's a shame everything that went wrong with the project. Frog God Games turned me into a fan with their handling of the mess. At first I was a little bugged that they got a licensing fee and backers got nothing, but weren't obligated to do anything. And they ended up giving every backer a digital store credit equal to backers pledges, so I got a pile of pdfs at a huge discount. I doubt they could have handled their part better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 I have now requested a refund on the second occassion from Bill Barsh. No response. His official policy on the Pacesetter web-site says "Refund, Returns and Cancellation Policies:We offer a 100% refund if you are not satisfied. Your concerns are our concerns." At least Matt had the good grace to declare bankruptcy and join a seminary. Bill just seems to steal the money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cthulhu Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I received all except two large minis; Lashing Prince and Tsoggathua. I have contacted them several times and received responses and promises to ship, but nothing has arrived yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talae Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I backed the initial Kickstarter, but did not throw money towards Pacesetter. My thought was that digging doesn't get one out of a hole. Looks like I may have made the right choice at cutting losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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