WhiteWulfe Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Pity to hear it didn't turn out, as it did have a lot of promise, but sooo glad I didn't go in... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ced1106 Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Gadgetman! said: Didn't Sans Detour just license the rights to manufacture the minis at an exhorbitant price, from another company owned by the same crooks as Sans Ethics? It will be interesting to see if the judges will see it as separate companies or not. (If money has been moved from one to another for no good reason they may take offense) Yes. And the Up Front shell company game, though in the United States, was not seen as a separate company, iirc. With Prodos, located in Poland, the company Archon took the assets and even staff from Prodos, leaving, at the time, Aliens vs. Predator backer liability with Prodos. (AFAIK. Prodos / Archon has made final offers to AvP backers for product to fulfill their KS rewards.) Usually, once a lawyer gets involved, I presume there will be a settlement. But, if a court gets involved, I find it best not to speculate. (Amazing how many armchair lawyer posts there in the the Hex vs. Magic computer game threads.) More importantly, thanks to Drew (Odinsgrandson) for compiling and providing information for the project. If you really want to know more information, read the KS comments. I'm also sure, thanks to his fair presentation of this information, he's also helped prevented the KS comments from becoming particularly toxic. Edited August 7, 2020 by ced1106 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristof65 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On one hand, I saw this coming a mile away from all the red flags. OTOH, I wish I had been wrong for the sake of all the Confrontation fans. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balgin Stondraeg Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) In a hilarious twist of fate one of the members of my local gaming club (in England) has just received an email from the French police asking if he'd like to join action as a victim of a breach of trust action being taken against Sans Detour. This implies they emailed a large amount of backers. He's considering his options. It seems backers on other forums are reporting the same email as well. Edited December 17, 2020 by Balgin Stondraeg 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Original Timmy Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Update from the "Adventures - The Game", over on the French Ulule crowdfunding platform.https://fr.ulule.com/aventures-le-jeu/news/?fbclid=IwAR0BPXbdl0BMb5cPD6QkJVYZAmTPPzuIwpgMRR1MUO5WCLOAqwCFl7P1Utc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearman Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 In another interesting turn of events, Cadwallon has started producing/selling Confrontation minis again. I'm assuming that this is because of Sans Detour's current legal issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balgin Stondraeg Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Clearman said: In another interesting turn of events, Cadwallon has started producing/selling Confrontation minis again. I'm assuming that this is because of Sans Detour's current legal issues. Well they only stopped because Sans Detour threatened them with legal action. Since they've gone into administration I'd surmise that Sans Detour aren't in any position to take Cadwallon to court. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Timmy Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, Balgin Stondraeg said: Well they only stopped because Sans Detour threatened them with legal action. Since they've gone into administration I'd surmise that Sans Detour aren't in any position to take Cadwallon to court. They should try and get the IP of SD as they have gone "legit" with their Legends of Sigma game and range, and done a good job with that as far as i can tell 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balgin Stondraeg Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Original Timmy said: They should try and get the IP of SD as they have gone "legit" with their Legends of Sigma game and range, and done a good job with that as far as i can tell Yeah. I'd like to see them keep Legends of Signum separate from the Confrontation stuff 'though if they do get hold of it. We don't want the two getting tangled up together. Edited December 25, 2020 by Balgin Stondraeg 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ced1106 Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 12:08 PM, Original Timmy said: They should try and get the IP of SD as they have gone "legit" with their Legends of Sigma game and range, and done a good job with that as far as i can tell I sure didn't get the impression that SD was on good terms with Cadwallon, but who knows. Maybe if the owners of (name forgotten but it's owned by the same owners as SD) need cash, they could always still license or sell it. Although who would want to deal with them? On 12/24/2020 at 8:35 AM, Clearman said: In another interesting turn of events, Cadwallon has started producing/selling Confrontation minis again. I'm assuming that this is because of Sans Detour's current legal issues. Yep. I'll speculate that, with SD taking legal action against Cadwallon soon after the Confrontation KS funding, they wanted some cash before taking action. As for Cadwallon, I've seen a very few companies start off by copying other's IP, then releasing their own games. I think the idea is similar to a game designer who creates fanmade material for a game he enjoys, but then moves on to his own ideas. In videogames, "spirtual successors" are common and bypass IP issues, and miniature companies regularly use non-miniature media IP without permission or as parody. I guess it depends on what Confrontation fans want from the product line -- sculpture quality, or the actual IP content. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Timmy Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 19 hours ago, ced1106 said: I sure didn't get the impression that SD was on good terms with Cadwallon, but who knows. Maybe if the owners of (name forgotten but it's owned by the same owners as SD) need cash, they could always still license or sell it. Although who would want to deal with them? Yep. I'll speculate that, with SD taking legal action against Cadwallon soon after the Confrontation KS funding, they wanted some cash before taking action. As for Cadwallon, I've seen a very few companies start off by copying other's IP, then releasing their own games. I think the idea is similar to a game designer who creates fanmade material for a game he enjoys, but then moves on to his own ideas. In videogames, "spirtual successors" are common and bypass IP issues, and miniature companies regularly use non-miniature media IP without permission or as parody. I guess it depends on what Confrontation fans want from the product line -- sculpture quality, or the actual IP content. TBH IIRC SD only licenced it themselves of one of the higher-ups own company which actually owns the Confrontation IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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