fulfilling Cthulhu: Death May Die

[odinsgrandson]

2 hours ago, mvincent said:

Exactly! CMON made zombie versions of their zombicide heroes, so making crazed versions of their Cthulhu Investigators seems like a natural.

Now, I'd like to note that the game rules for the Zombivors non-good (it was super easy mode) and it obligated them to make two minis for each survivor from there on out (which meant that a bonus survivor pack would have two characters instead of four).

I was really glad when they didn't keep up that nonsense in their other two Zombicide settings.

[Rahz]

Annd... decided to drop it.  Just not feeling this one.  Love some of the demon figure but with so many games already on my shelf (and my friends' shelves)  new games have got to be something special or really different to merit playtime and I'm not sure this one is. 

[Carnacki the Ghost Finder]

16 hours ago, odinsgrandson said:

Now, I'd like to note that the game rules for the Zombivors non-good (it was super easy mode) and it obligated them to make two minis for each survivor from there on out (which meant that a bonus survivor pack would have two characters instead of four).

I was really glad when they didn't keep up that nonsense in their other two Zombicide settings.

 

Yeah I wasn't suggesting new rules, just alternates sculpts for say, the ten core survivors investigators.

 

"The Kid" seems to be a ripoff homage clone imitation of  sort of similar to Varvara from Hellboy comics. 

 

Elsewhere it has been suggested that this game's rules/gameplay also seem similar to Mantic's recent Hellboy project. 

 

These rules have also been described elsewhere as a mash-up of Zombicide and Elder Sign, which I also thought when I read the rules.  Just an opinion.

 

Really hard to figure out how many new ideas there really are here.  Sigh.

 

[Talae]

The Dagon sculpt is much more like a dragon sculpt that any Dagon I have seen before. I believe that the lore has him looking like a deformed and twisted giant sea lion. 

 

I am still watching for the entertainment value, but debating even a $1 pledge.

[Inarah]

Well, it's all new to me.  DH and I haven't bought a new game in.... years. Mostly we gave up on new games because we could not convince our old group that they could be fun.  I think our new group would be interested in this one.  And if they're not, I'm getting ~65 figures for $100, which is about $1.53 each.  That's cheaper than Bones. 

 

[Beagle]

Yeah. I've been backing the CMON games for the figures and have played only one of the games (SMOG - which is very good). I'll probably stay in and go for the $100 pledge

[Carnacki the Ghost Finder]

I want to like this game a lot.  I will no doubt stay in because its solo play doesn't require you use more than two investigators (which is preferably to Zombicide's solo play).

 

I don't know anything about math, but I am going to go out on a limb and wonder if Big Cthulhu is actually what is holding this project back right now. 

 

If it is really that expensive to produce then it is not like their typical add-ons, which boost the money totals but don't cost them that much.  So those add-ons typically help unlock stretch goals.

 

Maybe this thing isn't going to be as profitable for them, so they are reticent to count it towards stretch goals. 

 

Currently (according to my mathing) the pledges for Big Cthulhu account for $724950.

 

If you subtract that from the total you get $1,061,483.   So maybe that's the de facto total for CMON right now.    And that accounts for the broader gaps between stretch goals in this project

 

Please feel free to disagree as I don't know numbers or crowdfunding.

[odinsgrandson]

I think they're just trying to control the pacing, and overestimated their momentum.  I know that's why they do short campaigns (to keep the pacing up).

 

CMON tend to have a lot of stretch goals figured out beforehand, but they tend to try and space the stretch goals for pacing rather than required funds (they don't want to run out of cool things before the last 48 hours).

However, it seems like they made some mistakes here.  With their other games, adding more heroes is super exciting, but the Cthulhu mythos have always had more interesting monsters than heroes, so no one was excited about those.  And Dagon has just taken up too many stretch goals for too many days of their campaign.

 

 

 

 

UPDATE:  Ok, now they've got an update that everyone was looking for.

 

6 new episodes- essentially doubling the number of scenarios for the game, and a bunch of cool new monsters to boot.

It seems CMON knows hot to turn things around,.  It took minutes to hit Dagon since that update.

 

 

The next stretch goals are for an upgraded dash board (or dash holder) and more monsters.  When I got up this morning, the day was 5k negative (I was surprised) but after that update, they jumped up about 50k.

Edited July 16, 2018 by odinsgrandson

[araziel]

On 7/11/2018 at 1:57 AM, Asuranshadow said:

I was expecting to get reeled in, but so far only Hastur tempts me, and looks like it might be retailed in a separate box. Holding off for now, will see how long my resolve holds.

 

Exact same. Only thing here that really interests me at this point is Hastur. And this is after the episode 2 stuff. The huge Cthulhu just looks, meh, doesn't matter how huge he is if the sculpt is super bland.

Game itself looks like The Others with a few tweaks, and imo seems like a real yawn,  just like The Others. At least there I got a bunch of really novel and cool minis for my $100.

[odinsgrandson]

For those who believe that Hastur will be boxed separately- it looks as though "boxes" are just a part of how this game is organized.

The game takes a note from legacy games (although it is not a legacy game).  Each Elder God and Scenario have their own boxes with the scenario rules, tokens, etc. and the CMON people consider the contents of those boxes to be spoilers.

 

So, the fact that there are Cthulhu and Hastur "boxes" doesn't mean that those are retail boxes.  At least, that's my reading on it.

[mvincent]

On 7/13/2018 at 3:57 PM, odinsgrandson said:

Now, I'd like to note that the game rules for the Zombivors non-good (it was super easy mode) 

Ah: I hadn't used their rules, I just really liked having alternate sculpts (especially for re-use in RPG's), and it seemed like an excellent option for miniature games in general. It's too bad that the associated rules in that case didn't live up to the potential, but I'd like to see more innovative uses for miniatures, like:

1. Representing a condition (binary state) via an alternate sculpt
2. Representing gear with snap-on or magnetic bits
3. Representing resource attrition (hit-points, ammo, crew) on larger models with removable bits (or even movable bits... just something more aesthetic than click-bases)
4. Representing combos (kinda like the Small-World races) via a snap-together method  (upper/lower? alternate bases? Chimeric creations?)

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2018 by mvincent

[cmorse]

12 hours ago, Carnacki the Ghost Finder said:

I want to like this game a lot.  I will no doubt stay in because its solo play doesn't require you use more than two investigators (which is preferably to Zombicide's solo play).

 

I don't know anything about math, but I am going to go out on a limb and wonder if Big Cthulhu is actually what is holding this project back right now. 

 

If it is really that expensive to produce then it is not like their typical add-ons, which boost the money totals but don't cost them that much.  So those add-ons typically help unlock stretch goals.

 

Maybe this thing isn't going to be as profitable for them, so they are reticent to count it towards stretch goals. 

 

Currently (according to my mathing) the pledges for Big Cthulhu account for $724950.

 

If you subtract that from the total you get $1,061,483.   So maybe that's the de facto total for CMON right now.    And that accounts for the broader gaps between stretch goals in this project

 

Please feel free to disagree as I don't know numbers or crowdfunding.

 

CMON always tries to pace their stretch goals to hit the last goal at the end of the campaign. As long as it hits a certain minimum, which I suspect this project already passed, all the planned stretch goals will be included. If funding is faster than planned the stretch goals get further apart, if funding is slower the goals are closer together.

[Ratmaster2000]

To be honest (because I just looked at the stretch goals haha), the only cool mini I saw was Al Capone:) 

[vulture]

I haven't done a CMON KS in more than 5 years, but I have to admit, I am tempted. I actually like the investigators and some of the critters are cool, plus decent variety in cultists....

 

I havent done ANY of the various lovecraft KSs, and I enjoy the mythos, so maybe this is the one Ill jump in on. watching.

 

too bad Cthulhu doesnt get me excited though. not really digging him.

 

Edit: I Just watched as much of the gameplay video as I could stand and was....bored. Seems pretty fussy. Maybe I’ll still back for the minis.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by vulture

[Carnacki the Ghost Finder]

18 hours ago, cmorse said:

 

CMON always tries to pace their stretch goals to hit the last goal at the end of the campaign. As long as it hits a certain minimum, which I suspect this project already passed, all the planned stretch goals will be included. If funding is faster than planned the stretch goals get further apart, if funding is slower the goals are closer together.

 

Yeah, things have really picked up since yesterday and they've shortened the gaps between stretch goals tremendously.   So feels like playing catch up in a positive way, what with all the cool monsters that have just shown up.

 

And those two Yithians!  They put a big smile on my face.  No wonder they are making them KS exclusives.