suspended Overturn Rising Sands

[odinsgrandson]

3 minutes ago, Smokestack said:

 

I don’t disagree with this. For my part I believe that the creator has done some really mind blowingly dumb things. They have done everything they are being accused of. I am not sure if they are scammers or just really dumb. I don’t think it will deliver, but $1 is not a huge risk. If they are just dumb, I feel bad for them.

 

 

I'm completely in favor of donating $1 to keep an eye on a project like this.  I did this for Confrontation (which I believe will not deliver) because I want to see the end of it up front.

To be honest, I don't like that I haven't had a front seat for a lot of the Kickstarter fraud projects.  I kind of wish I'd donated $1 to AVP, since even now it is hard to tell what happened).

I honestly think that a lot of projects get decried as fraudulent when they're just really late.

And if they pull it together, despite all indications to the contrary, well then that's great to know as well.

[pinkymadigan]

A lot of Canadian companies with scammy background are being tied to one of the creators now. If the other two fellas are clean, they are in business with a bad dude.

[Glamberry]

Kickstarter suspended the project.

 

[pinkymadigan]

Alright! Kickstarter did the right thing. Suspended.

Ninja'd. 

Edited July 18, 2018 by pinkymadigan

[odinsgrandson]

7 minutes ago, Maledrakh said:

This is the kind of Kickstarter campaign that highlights the "buyer beware" bit of kickstarter.

 

also, the Kickstarter company might want to be more proactive when something most likely will add to giving Kickstarter and crowdfunding in general a bad name.

 

 

 

It is a balancing act.  If Kickstarter regulates their projects, then they might be charged with some liability for the actions of the project creators (which they are currently free from due to their non-regulating policies).

And gate keeping isn't in line with the ideology that Kickstarter represents (a lot of the point is to bypass usual business gate keeping by going straight to the audience).

At the same time, frauds give a bad name to the platform.  Backers are already more wary and quicker to call fraud than they were a few years ago.

With a project like this- I'm kind of surprised that so many people back and forget.  I suppose that if they frequently forget the projects that they've backed, then they'll just forget their money and not feel like the victims of fraud that they are.

By the way- Kicktraq does keep tracking a kickstarter's defunding during this period of darkness.  If Rising Sands appeases KS enough to let them put their page back up (and they might, since they've already stated that they won't use that rulebook) then we'll still be able to see how many more people dropped because of the blackout.

[Pingo]

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Edited July 18, 2018 by Pingo

[Darsc Zacal]

Interesting. When kickstarter has suspended previous projects, they basically removed the project and the link would go to a simple statement saying the project had been suspended.

 

With this project, kickstarter has allowed continued full visibility to the project and the comments section remains active.

 

 

[Glamberry]

That is really odd! That wasn't the case for Signum, no comments were possible. Hmmm I wonder if they will unfreeze it. I hope that this will trigger some form of communication to backers that weren't aware of the issue.

 

[odinsgrandson]

13 minutes ago, Darsc Zacal said:

Interesting. When kickstarter has suspended previous projects, they basically removed the project and the link would go to a simple statement saying the project had been suspended.

 

With this project, kickstarter has allowed continued full visibility to the project and the comments section remains active.

 

 

 

 

Yeah- I like that.  We can still see all the problems right now.  It was kind of difficult to discuss Signum because we could never double check whether a particular mini had been part of the Kickstarter.


Also- the celebration in the comments section is kind of hilarious:

 

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All I can say is 
WELL DONE EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!! 
You have been part of something bigger than just a 'bad kickstarter' (putting it mildly) 
The way people have come together to protect fellow backers has been truly humbling. 
Hopefully Kickstarter will learn some much needed lessons, by coming together we made a difference, even just a little one, but a very inspiring one. 
you should all feel VERY proud!!!!!!

 

[Darsc Zacal]

Another interesting thing.

Within the past hour or so Mythic  Games in their latest kickstarter update thank backers who brought the issues with this kickstarter to light and mention that they themselves had shared concerns about the project with others in the hobby industry.

 

Also within the last hour Antenociti Workshop has posted a warning about this kickstarter on Facebook.

 

Dont recall seeing companies publicly warning off people from a kickstarter project before.

[pcktlnt]

Will you be leaving this open for further discussions or will this be closed?

[pinkymadigan]

1 hour ago, Darsc Zacal said:

Another interesting thing.

Within the past hour or so Mythic  Games in their latest kickstarter update thank backers who brought the issues with this kickstarter to light and mention that they themselves had shared concerns about the project with others in the hobby industry.

 

Also within the last hour Antenociti Workshop has posted a warning about this kickstarter on Facebook.

 

Dont recall seeing companies publicly warning off people from a kickstarter project before.

 

The guys from Moon Design (US TM holders for Heroquest) and Mike Selinker (worked on lots of stuff including Pathfinder Card Game and Thornwatch), as well as a few other lesser known designers were all very active in warning backers away from HQ25.

[lexomatic]

5 hours ago, pinkymadigan said:

A lot of Canadian companies with scammy background are being tied to one of the creators now. If the other two fellas are clean, they are in business with a bad dude.

Where is this info?

[cmorse]

6 hours ago, Darsc Zacal said:

Interesting. When kickstarter has suspended previous projects, they basically removed the project and the link would go to a simple statement saying the project had been suspended.

 

With this project, kickstarter has allowed continued full visibility to the project and the comments section remains active.

 

 

 

I think that's an IP thing. If they don't take everything down they'd still be infringing.

[pinkymadigan]

4 hours ago, lexomatic said:

Where is this info?

It was floating in the comments section earlier. Originally posted by some guys that had dealt with the companies in question on Facebook. Then other people dug up the companies ownership info on some Canadian registry, and the names were the same guys from the KS.