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I know that Bones do not take spray primer without staying sticky but have read that the vallejo brush on primer works well. The question is that if you put the bush on primer first can you add a spray one primer after without the mini staying sticky? I know that the vallejo's can be airbrushed on but because i don't have a dedicated painting area its kind of a pain to drag out the airbrush to try out two tone priming. 

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Spray primers contain solvents that will emusify the Vallejo acrylic coat and mix it with the spray primer.  It may be goopy and still have the tackiness issue. 

 

Somebody already tested what primers work:

Primer test

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You need to have an isolation coat between the vinyl figure and the spray primer to keep the plasticizers in the PVC from migrating . Usually a continuous layer of waterbased acrylic paint will do this job, though I hope someone with more knowledge of the relevant chemistry can explain this in more detail.

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I will mention that Vallejo makes multiple brush on primers.  I have had good results with the Mecha primer which seem to be noticeably more durable than the model color or game color surface primers.  I have had no problems with spraying Army Painter colour primers over Vallejo Mecha Primer on Bones figures.

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Talespinner did a test when he was in a hurry to prep multiple Bones at once.  Took a small plastic container, put many drops of brown liner and equal amounts of water in it.  Added Bones and shook.  Worked pretty well to give them all a light coat of brown liner.  Obviously this isn't the most efficient use of brown liner, but I'm mentioning it because it was quick and easy.  You could try doing tests with other brush-on paints/primers and see if you find something that works for you.  

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3 hours ago, ced1106 said:

So what's the reason why you're using a primer? 

 

Wanting to spray prime over brushed on primer pretty much only suggests zenithal priming.

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Maybe not relevant to the post 100% but regarding spray primer ( since I do zenithal things too ), I am using black, grey Mr Hobby Surfacer 1500 and for the white currently Tamiya fine spray, I do have also a Mr Hobby Surfacer 1500 still not used as I am not using much white comparing to black.

 

And despite being wary on how it would go on Bones , well It is actually pretty fine , for now I did not have any issue with the minis being tacky , and the spray seem very fine so also very good keeping details.

 

Getting other spray here in japan is horribly hard and terribly expensive so basically the Mr Hobby and Tamiya are the only spray I can get cheap and easily. 

 

Also to add on Vallejo side , I already used once a gray primer with brush from vallejo on bones and while it was looking perfectly fine..it kind of getting somewhat very satin finish ..not sure if that's the plastic shine keeping showing through or simply the way the primer paint is :) , when using my current spray I get quite a nice matte finish so I rather prefer that.

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If this is something you plan on doing with a number of figures, I might consider looking into a cheap airbrush. You can use straight paint then, and you'll also get a smoother finish for your zenithal priming than you will with rattle cans.

These are Bones figures. I did this years ago, but I'm pretty sure I did what you asked. The one on the left was painted black then sprayed from above with white primer. The one on the right was painted black, then I used gray paint in an airbrush parallel to the figure and white from above, and then touched up a little with the brush. Granted that was not done with a cheap airbrush and included an extra step, but even with just white in a basic airbrush you'd see a lot less of the speckle effect.

 

(I accidentally gave these figures to someone else so I no longer have them to reference to check whether the figure I used spray primer over paint went tacky or anything else odd, but it was fine at the time and for a few months afterwards so far as I recall.)

 

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Yeah, that. IIRC, I painted some Bones in black then either greyscaled then drybrushed them white for further painting. 

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