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How easy is it to work backwards from 5e to Pathfinder? (Original Pathfinder.)

 

Spoilered because this rant is going to be about Pathfinder 2, not Empire of Ghouls.

 



The Pathfinder 2 play test was so bad. ::(:

 

Grump kept going "Maybe it will get better" and then it would get worse.

 

And Grump isn't joking about Paizo telling people it was a play test and didn't need to be fun

 

What a stupid, stupid thing to say!

 

I think that was the point when Grump gave up. I gave up with character generation, which took longer to make useless characters. And because of their shifting difficulty scale, characters STAY useless.

 

I think that Paizo nailed themselves into a box by setting a firm release date, and were locked to the vision they had created, with no way to turn back.

 

They should have started with a public test a year earlier, before being so far along that they couldn't turn back when the reception was less warm than they had hoped for.

 

They were hemorrhaging play testers towards the end.

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If this were for PF1, I would be all over this.   The Auld Grump

How easy is it to work backwards from 5e to Pathfinder? (Original Pathfinder.)   Spoilered because this rant is going to be about Pathfinder 2, not Empire of Ghouls.  

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3 hours ago, PaganMegan said:

How easy is it to work backwards from 5e to Pathfinder? (Original Pathfinder.)

 

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The Pathfinder 2 play test was so bad. ::(:

 

Grump kept going "Maybe it will get better" and then it would get worse.

 

And Grump isn't joking about Paizo telling people it was a play test and didn't need to be fun

 

What a stupid, stupid thing to say!

 

I think that was the point when Grump gave up. I gave up with character generation, which took longer to make useless characters. And because of their shifting difficulty scale, characters STAY useless.

 

I think that Paizo nailed themselves into a box by setting a firm release date, and were locked to the vision they had created, with no way to turn back.

 

They should have started with a public test a year earlier, before being so far along that they couldn't turn back when the reception was less warm than they had hoped for.

 

They were hemorrhaging play testers towards the end.
 

 

 

 

Great question!

 

A good chunk of Empire of Ghouls will be flavor, history, culture, and background, so fairly system independent

 

Beyond, I'd probably say no more difficult than converting any other large adventure (you'll need to convert some stat blocks and other crunchy bits, but it can certainly be done!)

 

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Hey folks ... Paizo, Pathfinder 1E, and Pathfinder 2E is a valid conversation to have, but let's please take it somewhere else, since it really doesn't have anything to do with this Kickstarter, OK?

 

Thanks!

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6 hours ago, Marc said:

Hey folks ... Paizo, Pathfinder 1E, and Pathfinder 2E is a valid conversation to have, but let's please take it somewhere else, since it really doesn't have anything to do with this Kickstarter, OK?

 

Thanks!

Actually it DOES have something to do with this Kickstarter, and why some people aren't going in.

 

Right now the 5e version is a soft MAYBE for me, but leaning towards NO. I would want to run it in PF1, but the easiest way for me to convert would be to shout Hey, Grump! which means he couldn't play.

 

If there as a PF1 version it would be a hard YES.

 

Even if the PF1 version is only PDF, it would be a hard YES for me. Or, hell, a conversion booklet.

 

So ease of conversion is very much a part of this.

 

Not everybody has jumped on 5e, and you used to be one of the better companies for Pathfinder.

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I think it is more that sales of PF1 have dropped like a rock - it took a while for 5e to take off, but D&D has regained the title. Then add Paizo announcing PF2, and the sales for PF1 material... probably not worth it for the company.

 

Might be more worthwhile to look online and see if anybody else is doing a PF1 conversion, and share notes. (If this were for PF1 I might have beaten you to it.)

 

Looks awesome, just not a rules set I am interested in running. Kobold Press generally does very good scenarios.

 

The Auld Grump - though I am more interested in 5e than PF2. <_<

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The Empire of Ghouls Kickstarter is rapidly approaching $90,000 and 1,200 backers!!!

When the Kickstarter hits $90K, the infamous Cult of the Red Goddess gets added to the book, written by none other the Dan Dillon himself!

 

Here's the newest update: 

Design Diary: Holy Robes of Sister Adelind

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/350683997/empire-of-the-ghouls-a-5th-edition-campaign-vs-the/posts/2506776

 

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Week 2 Recap and Art Preview
It's the end of the second week of the Empire of the Ghouls Kickstarter, and 6 more stretch goals have been unlocked:

  • Drow Race Expanded - We expand on the drow as a player race in the Underworld Player's Guide.
  • Underdark NPCs - Three new NPCs appear out of the Underworld!
  • Wanderers in Darkness - Speaking of randomly appearing out of the darkness, this stretch goal expands our random encounter tables to include a wide range of creatures from all kinds of terrain types in the Underworld.
  • Vampire Map and Encounter - A new vampire-themed encounter is added to Underworld Lairs.
  • Cult of the Red Goddess - A detailed entry about the Red Goddess Marena and her cult is added to the Empire of the Ghouls.
  • More Art! - We can commission more great art for our NPCs, monsters, magic items, and more (check the link below to see the Phantom, the warship of the Ghoul Emperor, Nicoforus the Pale, sporting a bone hull and flying sails of flayed skin !)

The Empire of the Ghouls Kickstarter is rapidly approaching $100,000 and has more than 1,200 backers! 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/350683997/empire-of-the-ghouls-a-5th-edition-campaign-vs-the/posts/2510548?ref=ksr_email_creator_project_update_copy

 

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22 hours ago, Adrift said:

I received my Tales of the Old Margreve yesterday and was astounded by the quality. I’m probably going to back this one now that I have something in my hands. 

 

Thanks so much for the kind words!

We’re currently at 1,271 backers - hope to see you as number 1,272! :)

 

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In at number 1297. Looks like a great campaign! I would really like to see this hit $100k at least. In for All Print Books Limited Edition + PDF. This will be my first new campaign of 2020 for sure! 

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18 hours ago, Ironfang said:

In at number 1297. Looks like a great campaign! I would really like to see this hit $100k at least. In for All Print Books Limited Edition + PDF. This will be my first new campaign of 2020 for sure! 

 

Welcome aboard!!!

 

On nice - the limited edition cover is going to be awesome! We just got the final art in for the foil stamp and it looks great!!

 

Only $50 or so from hitting $100k !!!

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The Empire of Ghouls kickstarter has now crossed $100k!

 

We can now add a new high-tier, lich-themed encounter to Underworld Lairs, add a mushroom-based player race to the Underworld Player’s Guide, AND host a stream of Christopher Lockey running players through the first chapter of Empire of the Ghouls!

 

Listen to an excellent interview with Wolfgang Baur and Meagan Maricle about the Empire of Ghouls Kickstarter:

https://dontsplitthepodcastnetwork.com/table-top-babble/125

 

 

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Empire of Ghouls Kickstarter (Kobold Press)

As we enter the final week of the Kickstarter, we are ecstatic, humbled, and ever-grateful for your support. You are helping us bring our story of ghouls and the Underworld to (un?)life. 

  • 29 stretch goals unlocked so far!!
  • Almost 1,600 backers and counting!!
  • $117K and still going!!

Click the link below to see ALL 29 of the stretch goals unlocked so far:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/350683997/empire-of-the-ghouls-a-5th-edition-campaign-vs-the/posts/2519525

The Kickstarter ends this Friday, May 31st, at 4:00 PM EDT!

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