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After re-reading the contest rules in light of Zaphod's disqualification* and looking at some other models currently posted, I got to thinking about how many times I've had my proverbial mouth washed out with soap here for "sexually-charged" content in threads and for promoting "adult" themes and images (read: topless Reaper minis) and began wondering why there isn't a rule banning nude miniatures in the contest as there is in the "show off" section...? :rock:

 

Now, I am *NOT* trying to get anyone disqualified by requesting such a rule. I would expect any such miniatures currently in violation of any rule to come from this discussion to be grandfathered... <_<

 

I *AM* admittedly, however, being a bit of a "cheeky brat" (you may insert in your own defamations if need be) by bringing the subject up.

 

I was quite annoyed by Zaphod's disqualification. It was just yet another incident that made me wonder why I spend my time here. And as I stewed about this, all of my moderation grievances came boiling back up to the surface, making me wonder about the hypocracy between the forums and the contest.... Or at least the oversight.

 

That said -- Let me ask -- Why isn't there such a rule banning nude miniatures in the contest as there is in the forums? Can this be explained to me, please? The contest is surely more accessible from the main page than any thread featuring topless minis. Is this, indeed, just an oversight? Is there need for such a rule for consistency? For the protection of "the children"?

 

Naturally, I don't see need for such a rule. But, as I sat here and stewed, I thought I'd play the devil's advocate.

 

Tell me what you think (or feel free to defame me)... :mellow:

 

*EDIT* Chose to remove "locked" comment. That *was* inflammatory. Sorry.

 

* To clarify -- Zaphod wasn't DQed for nudity. I was reading the rules over *because* he had been DQed when my thoughts wandered and the whole question about nudity arose...

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Personally, I stand behind you on this Darin. I am always against the exhibition of nude miniatures without warning at the very least. This has come up on every forum, and in my own contest, I will definately NOT post a winnign entry on the group homepage if it has nudity. I will fuzz it out or edit it but no nude boobs.... or worse.

 

In this case, I agree that the contest is easily more accessable to the public, especially now that everyone who will still participate must post a link to the contest if their entry is shown elsewhere. I KNOW a lot of children see the contest, simply by the way the voting works (or maybe they just have accounts *cheeky grin*)....

 

Anyways, I suspect a demonic figure painted in inhuman tones is one thing, but seeing topless minis in human flesh is bad news.

 

The biggest arguement here IMO is where to draw the line. In a recent post on Coolmini, an arguement (that was pure idiocy IMHO) erupted over a disgustingly distasteful entry that was most definately pornographic in nature. If we do not set strict guideliens regarding this sort of stuff now (liek in the forums), then our level of acceptability constantly increases until we have no moral standards left, and the next thing you know, our kids can watch or view anything simply because we are so desensitized to it.

 

Save our children. Praise Bob.

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To me, and this is just the way i look at the world, I have no problem with displaying of female breasts in a public domain as long as it is done tastefully (ie no sexual conotations). I suppose me being into art all my life and seeing nudes of both males and females may slant my view a bit. I do agree that if there are nudes allowed that they first be deemed appropriate and there be a warning page before being allowed in. I understand that children see these things, but I dont see the problem as long as there is not blatent sexual situations/act etc displayed. I also acknowledge that the line for appropiate and unappropiate nudes is a very thin line, but without very heavy modification to a mini (at least from what i have seen with Reaper minis) it would be very hard to find one that would be blatently sexual. I would gladly take my children of any age (as long as they behaved themselves) to a museum that displayed nude statues and/or paintings. It is the nature of art to show the human body in all its forms...even if those forms include horns and tails :devil::;): Thats my two cents...

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Oh, don't get me wrong, Fuzzy. I agree with you. I don't see anything "sexual" about these miniatures, either.

 

Just... Having gotten in trouble in the past... I was wondering about this oversight. And have to agree with Glyn. If we say "no" in one arena... We need to do it in others.

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Well, I must say I agree on that. If we don't allow them here, then they shouldn't be there. And I have seen a few there in the past. I personlly have nothing against nudes. I think it is a shame we live in a society where we have taken the human body and turned it into some "unclean" This is the form the good Lord has given us, and he must have found it pleaseing otherwise he wouldn't have given it to us. But to stay on discussion, I feel the rule should apply to both, especially since it is so easy to get to the painting contest from the reaper home page. Even dragglestown puts up some sort of a "screening" on thier Boobarian miniatures to let people know they are nudes.

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Whoa!. Dunno. I have the very dubious honor of having been one of the first posters that got a request to remove a mini that was suited unfit for the Show Off section (it was Allura, the Succubus, sculpted by Ms. Garrity, and painted in regular human flesh tones).

 

I had no real problem with the request, since it was the beginning of the community, and rules were still pretty much evolving and adjusting.

 

Later on, it did strike me as odd that the same moderation was not being applied to the Painting Contest, but then again, in that case the entries were painted to such a high standard, that they were unchallenged works of art.

 

What I think is, if Reaper manufactures partially nude minis, they should not be restricted of entering the Painting Contest, as long as they are presented in a tasteful manner.

 

Then again, Who am I to say what is tasteful or not?...

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Painting Contest Rules

"willful posting of an image of questionable content,"

 

Show Off Forum Guidelines

"Remember, this is a family forum and to keep it such,

please think about what you post. If your mini/sketch/picture

has nudity please do not post the picture, instead provide a

link to the picture and plenty of warning to the viewer."

 

First, in terms of access and usage, this forum gets far, far (add several more fars for good measure) more traffic (both unique hits and number of hits) than the painting contest.

 

Second, images posted to "Show Off" are not always Reaper Figures (usually 30-50% non-Reaper at any given time) and broader rules are therefore logical. It would be inefficient to both Reaper and our volunteer moderators to go through each and every single post and figure with nudity to search for questionable content... hence the request to please post a link instead of the image directly.

 

Third, images posted to the "Reaper Painting Contest" are always Reaper Figures and therefore eliminates a lot of potential for abuse since if we had considered it "questionable content" in the raw green we would not have produced it. That leaves only conversion/modified figures as "questionable content." That is much more manageable.

 

Fourth, "the Reaper peeps" are quite busy day to day and do not have the time to monitor the forum. To that end, several volunteers have stepped forward to help and moderate this bandwidth beast that is the Reaper Forum. We stand behind and will stand behind any decisions our moderators make. They're "in the trenches" and it's their call.

 

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Now, if I may be a bit more casual in my remarks.

 

isn't a rule banning nude miniatures in the contest as there is in the "show off" section...?

 

I would expect any such miniatures currently in violation of any rule

 

Why isn't there such a rule banning nude miniatures in the contest as there is in the forums?

 

Is there need for such a rule for consistency?

 

Naturally, I don't see need for such a rule.

 

There is no way to control how another individual will read/perceive/interpret anything that is written. However, it is always interesting to see how words can be twisted by perception and one's own biases. Word choice here is telling: Banning, Rule, Violation.

 

Well then I would like to point out something for fear that it is being glossed over. The only rule is against "willful posting of an image of questionable content" because the other is only a guideline - "please do not post the picture, instead provide a link to the picture and plenty of warning to the viewer."

 

In neither case is there a Rule against Nudity. Why would there be? Do we (Reaper) not produce figures with nudity? We do not; however, produce figures that we as a company would consider "questionable" (regardless of how individual customers may view the ones we actually produce - I for example have much more conservative views than Reaper Ron - and many times a figure's fate is determined by the office staff in general and often by Reaper Ed in specific cases).

 

In the guidelines we request (note the word used "please") that posters self regulate and provide a link to images with nudity rather than link directly. Why? Because, as I said before, a good number of the images posted are by and from companies that we have no control over.

 

I hope this provides some clarification rather than further confusion.

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Thanks for your comments, Matt. I appreciate you taking the time.

 

Admittedly, I'm the first to admit that I have a problem with authority, thus the bias in my word choice. "Live free or die", baby.

 

Now then... Your clarification of intent is all well and good, but the contest rules *still* remain open to wide interpretation and could easily lead to the same problem we had with conversions. I think it needs to be either-or. Because I can tell you someone will go through the roof if their figure is disqualified because of subjective rules. The rules need to be cut and dry -- as much as I hate such things -- no matter that Reaper produced the figs.

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I think it needs to be either-or. Because I can tell you someone will go through the roof if their figure is disqualified because of subjective rules. The rules need to be cut and dry -- as much as I hate such things -- no matter that Reaper produced the figs.

 

Interesting point of view.

 

"Subjective," is exactly the way a judgment contest on the aesthetics of a thing works. "Which looks better" is very much a subjective thing. That same person would win or lose the contest by virtue of another's evaluation of their subject matter chosen would they not?

 

Why then can Reaper not reserve the right to use that same subjective power to DQ a figure of questionable content before it goes up for judgement?

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I don't think the concern is the judging of the contest, but the simple display of the figures in question.

 

The matter at hand is "questionable content" which is a judgement call. The request is to change the current rules verbiage to something more cut and dry... yet the subject that the cut and dry verbiage is desired for is something based on aesthetics/subjective viewpoint as to propriety/etc. etc.

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This is something I've had a hard time understanding. Reaper produces miniatures with nudity, but then turns around and requests that we either not display them or otherwise censor them. Is it simply becuase they are painted and not just "bare metal?" I understand this is a "family forum" but it seems like a double standard: buy our stuff, but just don't admit to it... Odd... :rock:

 

This is in no way meant as an insult to the people at Reaper. I'm grateful for all the work they do to produce and support these minis.

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