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See you Whiz! I agree with you on a whole lot of things....

 

I also agree that my reaction to the current issue with the contest was also a knee jerk reaction. I sometimes type much faster than I think, as you can tell by how badly the grammer is sometimes.

 

That being said, I still disagree with the disqualification 100%. I understand fully it is Reaper's contest and rules, but the fact that a weapon swap using non-Reaper parts disqualifies a (large sized) Reaper figure is nonsense. I still see the Conan entry up, which specifically states it used a plastic GW sword in a conversion as well, and yes, I did complain about it yesterday. This is partly why I am mad.

 

This thread is somewhat tongue in cheek fo rme, but I still agree that the same rules that apply to the board should apply to the contest. I will argue what Matt said about the number of hits. Seeing the small picture, obviously the Board (as a whole) gets waaaaay more hits than the contest. However, an individual post or thread in a particular section may get far fewer hits. That is the point Whiz was trying to make.

 

Anyways, the feeligns are the same for me. I am up to over 1800 posts now, many of which have been attempts at helpful criticism, or even tips in various sections, and for the most part, people on these boards cannot be bothered to say thanks even, or take offence when an average or poorly painted mini garners soem helpful critisicm. IMO this stagnates people's attempts at painting. If you don't want critisicm, hide in a shell. Don't post you stuff in public. If maybe,you wanna get a little better, then take the critisicm to heart. I thoroughly enjoy watching folks like Flynn, Kevin and Mengu progress. They rival or surpass my own small skills now, and only a short while ago, they were still learning things such as basic NMM!

 

I dunno what else to say. I think another thing eating me up is the number of non-reaper posts in the Show Off section. Considering some people post 4 minis a day, most of which are NOT reaper, I think this is a contentive issue, especially in light of my recent contest disqualification. I moderate the Iron Wind forum, and for the most part (rare exception) only Ral Partha figures are posted. I frequent the Forum of Doom, especially the Hasslefree section, and ONLY Hasslefree minis are shown. I appreciate the fact that Reaper has been open about this, and I have posted my share of non-Reaper minis, but now, since the contest "incident", I won't. If I post at all.

 

Anyhow, I am not fleeing, but I will likely just shut up for a while.

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OK, this is two things that do get my interest. Decency and customization. Since there is no hard and fast rule about what is decent or family friendly it is a judgement call that can be used for reasons other than it was intended. I think this is maybe what Whizard might be upset about. I personally think that any mini with a severed head in its hand is infinitely more indecent than say Micheangelo's David ... and even if it was done 1" tall in pewter. That's my bias.

 

The other thging about modding figures is that I'm all for it in contests or tournaments if you can recognize the figure it's based on. I don't care if you scratch built parts or took them from another figure so long as the core model is recognizable. So, for the Conan fig in the contest, I know the base figure is a Reaper fig, though I might not have even been aware there was a weapon swap. I don't care if the sword is a GW one as the presentation of the figure does drive my interest in buying the figure, which I think is part of reason Reaper holds these contests ... awareness. I also don't care if a naked succubus is on a Hirst Arts collumn, a wedding cake decoration, a Dark Age base or a bottle cap because the figure is unmolested from conversion. The flipside is the proxy figure which is largely unrecognizable as what it proports to be. As others have said, if it's a Reaper contest it should be a Reaper fig. I actually support Privateer Press in their no proxies at tournaments since there is total disclosure of armies. If I look at a fig and it doesn't register as what it is then I have to pin a note in my brain to remember that the Confrontation figure is actually Vlad. Of course had the person just used Vlad I wouldn't be trying to remember what the fig was proxying.

 

Iain.

 

PS: And if you sell a figure whatever it is, I should be able to put it in the Showoff section regardless. If it's family friendly on the main site it's family friendly on the forum.

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I have a question and/or a concern. Feel free to PM me if you know, no need to clutter up this thread with yet another tangent.

 

I keep hearing about the heavy-handed moderation here. Ladystorm, LSN, and myself were talking amongst ourselves, and we can't figure out what these reports refer to. If there's something we're doing that is a problem, we need to know, so we can address it.

 

Again, PM me with answers, don't post here.

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I don't care if you scratch built parts or took them from another figure so long as the core model is recognizable.

 

The problem is (and this is going into the other thread's topic), someone did care enough to remove Zaphod's, and yet this one is still around... :rock: If you're going to make a rule, it should apply to everyone equally...and should probably be consistent from one part of the site to another.

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Thus begins the demise of the "Show-off" section of the message boards, and eventually the message board in its entirety.

 

What's all the hullabaloo about? Is it because we're not allowed to post in-line pics of nudity in the show-off board, but we can on the painting contest?

 

As far as I know, the "no-nudity in showoff" rule has been around at least as long as I've been coming to these boards. I had to go back to June 14th to find a pic that had to be posted as a link instead of an in-line picture because of exposed boobies, and then back to May 26th for Jenova's Mermaid. In fact, a search for the word "Nudity" turned up a whopping 14 threads in the show-off board dating back as far as 2002.

 

As for the conversions, I can understand the need for the rules to be enforced with an even hand. However, since it is reaper's contest, they get to make the rules. If they say no parts from other companies, then your're S.O.L.

 

And as far as Heavy-Handed moderation is concerened, the idea that the Reaper Mods rule with an iron fist borders on the edge of lunacy. The social entropy board at Penny Arcade is moderated with more scrutiny, and the only rules there are basically "Don't post a "hey I'm new" thread." and "Don't Post Porn".

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I think honestly it is high time we all let this die. Enough feathers have been ruffled and enough people pissed off due to this. Let it rest folks and move on. I don't quite understand why every time the contest comes around we get these threads, but I seriously think it is time to move on. Learn from the experience and just move along...

 

My two cents here:

If you have a problem with something, you PM Kit, a Mod or someone else at Reaper who controls the Contest. Posting about it here only seems to make the situation worse and tick off far more people than if you had just stated your displeasure/grievances/worries through a PM.

 

Now I think we should all just back away now from this thread and try to have a good day. :rolleyes::B)::blink:

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