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6 minutes ago, TheAuldGrump said:

His other Star Trek book was a lot of fun

How Much for Just the Planet?, right?

 

4th Street Fantasy Convention, a yearly fantasy/sci-fi writing convention, does a panel on John M. Ford every few years.  There's a history between the convention and Mr. Ford which, as a newcomer, I've not figured out yet.

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2 minutes ago, Xiwo Xerase said:

How Much for Just the Planet?, right?

 

4th Street Fantasy Convention, a yearly fantasy/sci-fi writing convention, does a panel on John M. Ford every few years.  There's a history between the convention and Mr. Ford which, as a newcomer, I've not figured out yet.

That's the bunny.

 

A fun romp. ::):

 

John M. Ford is greatly underappreciated, and was nowhere near as prolific as I would have wished - some have never been published in e-book format at all. (Casting Fortune... I have been looking for you....) His Dragon Waiting was excellent alternate-historic fantasy.

 

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Interestingly, there was a John M. Ford article in Slate recently.  And the researching of the article directly led to his family coming to an agreement with publishers to reprint his works that have fallen out of circulation, starting with The Dragon Waiting this year.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/11/john-ford-science-fiction-fantasy-books.html

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3 hours ago, Doug Sundseth said:

Just watched Jeremy of Black Magic Craft doing a video about modeling a boat from foam. In the video he made the claim that Canadians don't say "aboot". To support this, in the comments, he referenced this post on Dialect Blog. I considered responding to that post directly, because I think the thread raises several interesting issues, but he seemed a bit grumpy about the whole thing, so I decided to post some observations here.

 

Minor warning: there are some rather offensively parochial comments from both sides in the comments.

  • There is a minority of native Canadians in the thread that claims that Canadians (some number, not necessarily a majority) have an accent that exhibits "about" as sounding like "aboot" to their (Canadian) ears. This would imply that "Canadians" do spontaneously say "aboot", even if it's not most Canadians.
  • It's very difficult for people with different accents to reliably transcribe or even hear the sounds made by people with different accents. There were a few commenters who knew and used IPA (I assume correctly). But that's not useful for the vast majority of people who might be interested. Unfortunately, any other attempt at transliteration of accent features runs into the problem that what you think you're saying clearly might not mean the same thing to a reader with a different accent or dialect.
  • Understanding how other people hear their own accent is even harder.
  • Almost nobody can reliably report things about their own dialect (whether word usage, grammar, or pronunciation). E.g., my idiolect has the cot/caught merger, but I thought for a very long time that the words sounded different when I used them. They certainly sounded different in my head, but nobody else would agree with my own perception.
  • In general, people tend toward hearing small differences in sound when close to their own accents as big ones while often hearing large differences in the accents of others as small ones. And diphthongal differences are especially prone to this. (Ask an Australian and a New Zealander whether they sound the same. Then ask a Brit or an American whether the Australian and the New Zealander sound the same. You're unlikely to get the same answer.)

The upshot of all of that is that the obvious difference you hear between the stereotypical American way of doing a Canadian accent and any real Canadian accent isn't anywhere near as obvious to most Americans. Example from the thread: "What I have heard, however, is pronunciations like 'a-beh-oot' and 'a-buh-oot'." I suspect that either of those would be heard as "aboot" by most people with an American dialect.

 

Similarly, the obvious difference I hear between typical British attempts at an American accent (any American accent, frankly) and any real American accent isn't obvious to most Brits. For most Americans not trained as linguists, that raised vowel version of "ou" isn't one that they have at all (or at least don't have in this context), so it gets slotted into the nearest available sound that they have and then reproduced as the familiar sound, not the real one.

 

Welcome to the problems of adult language/dialect acquisition.

 

Terribly disappointed that you did not even mention South African, Doug.

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7 hours ago, PaganMegan said:

I don't know when it will be useful, but I just made an NPC fire giant monk with flaming fists of fiery flame. ::P:

 

And a potion of flaming breath - a potion of Flaming Hands - so she can open combat at a bit of range.

49402590277_e8d1fb2b77_c.jpgFlaming Fists by YeAuldGrump, on Flickr

 

A quick trip to Heroforge later... Mind you, at $30... it might be a while....

 

The Auld Grump

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5 hours ago, Doug Sundseth said:

 

Welcome to the problems of adult language/dialect acquisition.

 

Oooo linguistics! *pulls up a chair* I do so love discussions about languages and dialects and such! :wub: Linguistics was one of my very favorite classes in college, and I seem to have a real knack for it. I was able to distinguish between nearly all of the non-American sounds, and can even produce some of them (ejectives like p' t' and k' are especially fun). I haven't dared attempt non-American accents around native speakers, though, as I'm afraid they'd die laughing. :lol:

 

I have never personally heard any Canadians saying "ah-boot", though my sample size is admittedly quite small. Of those I've talked with, it really is a much softer "ah-boh-wt" (best I can transcribe it without resorting to IPA symbols, which may not render for everybody and wouldn't make sense to most even if they did lol) as opposed to the typical American "ah-bah-owt."

 

Language is fun! :wub:

 

Huzzah! 

--OneBoot :D 

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6 minutes ago, OneBoot said:

 

Oooo linguistics! *pulls up a chair* I do so love discussions about languages and dialects and such! :wub: Linguistics was one of my very favorite classes in college, and I seem to have a real knack for it. I was able to distinguish between nearly all of the non-American sounds, and can even produce some of them (ejectives like p' t' and k' are especially fun). I haven't dared attempt non-American accents around native speakers, though, as I'm afraid they'd die laughing. :lol:

 

I have never personally heard any Canadians saying "ah-boot", though my sample size is admittedly quite small. Of those I've talked with, it really is a much softer "ah-boh-wt" (best I can transcribe it without resorting to IPA symbols, which may not render for everybody and wouldn't make sense to most even if they did lol) as opposed to the typical American "ah-bah-owt."

 

Language is fun! :wub:

 

Huzzah! 

--OneBoot :D 

 

It may amuse you, then, OneBoot, to know that I spent my trip to Los Angeles weirding out my family by switching between the LA accent they remember me always using and the Philly accent I've developed. Effortlessly (as far as they could tell). Usually after drinking.

 

It amused me, at least ::P:

 

As though my dad doesn't do the same thing when bored ::P: He has a Missouri Ozarks accent leftover from childhood that he keeps on hand for hilarious occasions.

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A little bird with a yellow bill

landed on my windowsill.

He serenaded me with all his heart

waking me with an unwanted start.

I banished him with nary a pentacle

instead I snatched him with my tentacles.

I ate him up in one swift bite

and now I return to my dreamless night.

 

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3 minutes ago, Erifnogard said:

A little bird with a yellow bill

landed on my windowsill.

He serenaded me with all his heart

waking me with an unwanted start.

I banished him with nary a pentacle

instead I snatched him with my tentacles.

I ate him up in one swift bite

and now I return to my dreamless night.

 

Poor Tweety Bird

 

Warner-Bros-Studio-Store-Tweety-Bird-Oct

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We will meet with friends to have dinner at a restaurant tonight.

 

With the moving and all we're going through our stuff, we're going to throw away and sell stuff as well.

One keeps a lot in storage over the years..

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33 minutes ago, Glitterwolf said:

One keeps a lot in storage over the years..

That's for darn certain.

If this whole moving thing (mine) hadn't been sprung on us with no notice we were planning on culling some stuff, too. We're still doing that, but it's a lot less than we'd planned to since we need to be ready to go in just a couple weeks now.

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21 hours ago, NebulousMissy said:

For us, at least, there's also the decade of decimating budget cuts and the lack of any morale that's keeping metrics depressed. When someone just wants to do their job and gtfo they won't go the extra mile. They'll say "I'm paid to work 3 lien reversals an hour and I have 300 liens to work this week, guess I'm not finishing all this work and it goes back into the 'new work' bin." That's a problem because before a decade ago, that same person would have felt good enough about themselves and their job to sit down and do all 300 cases in that week because OT would have been available to work the overflow, because that guy in the lien office once had coworkers who have since been moved/fired/left/etc due to budget cuts, and because that lien guy once had actual elfing pride in his work (and wore a Hawaiian shirt!). "Every lien I reverse is another person who doesn't lose their home/business/livelihood" used to be the reason to take OT, to work hard, to get broccoli done. Now that same person won't even admit where they work in polite company for fear of being shunned.

 

Removing people's ability to wear comfortable clothes is not going to reverse the kind of animosity that's been leveled against us so hard the employees broke.

I went off on a friend who started to complain about the IRS and tax season coming up the other day. 

 

Coffee and waffles!

 

Snow on the way!

 

Studying for the CPA... 

 

That's a Saturday!

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