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So...I was wondering if BONES BLACK can be used in molds that were made for BONES before BLACK was introduced.

There are a lot of minis I'd like to buy, but just won't because of the weak structural integrity and poor quality of the BONES.
BONES BLACK has changed all of that. The structural integrity is there and the quality.

For example, the BONES Jabberwok is a awesome sculpt and I have one, but had to do some pinning, ect so it would stand properly and not sag and fall over after the plastic bends. If that were cast in BONES BLACK, it would be fantastic!

 

I hope they can replace BONES WHITE with BONES BLACK for all their minis.

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When you have lots of plasticizer in your material (as in original Bones plastic), the flexibility allows you to eject figures from molds even if you have some undercuts. If you use a rigid plastic (Bones Black, for instance, or polystyrene or ABS without much plasticizer), any undercut would not allow the figure to be ejected. For those more rigid plastics, you need to design your mold to eliminate undercuts, which commonly requires multi-piece molds. And machines that can use multi-piece molds are not the cheaper machines that can only use a two-part mold.

 

That's without considering whether the injection machines can mate with each others molds or use the other kind of plastic without switching machines.

 

Which is mostly to say that I have the same understanding as @SamuraiJack.

 

And all that said, it's only some original Bones figures that have problems with structural stability or detail. While some of the original figures are ... not good, some of them are both very stable and have gorgeous detail. And along with the problems of some Bones figures comes better durability when subjected to the usual stresses of ham-handed oafs at gaming tables. (You can run over those original Bones figures with a car* without much damage; we know this because that test was performed.)

 

* Not recommended. If you run over your Bones figures with a car, I'm not going to pay to replace them if they're trashed. And neither is Reaper. :B):

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5 hours ago, Glitterwolf said:

Are there plans to replace the old line of Bones with Bones Black?

Reaper has stated they have no plans to replace the entire line.

Although some individual minis might be changed over.

Seems like they’re thinking of approaching it on a case by case basis.

 

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2 hours ago, Darsc Zacal said:

Reaper has stated they have no plans to replace the entire line.

Although some individual minis might be changed over.

Seems like they’re thinking of approaching it on a case by case basis.

 

And we've seen that with this latest Kickstarter. A number of classic figures who already exist in Bones showed up again to become Bones Black - Decker Lugstampf, steampunk armored mechanic, being a prime example.

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If you look at the incredible improvements that have taken place since the first Bones kickstarter, you can understand why they will be remaking the minis in Black. The detail on faces, rigidity of weapons, etc all show the advances in the last decade. If Reaper doesn't upgrade many of them, those will be useless pieces as no one would buy them compared to current offerings. Not all the original Bones will need this, but enough to make it worthwhile to invest in new moulds.

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On 11/5/2019 at 1:16 PM, Corsair said:

If you look at the incredible improvements that have taken place since the first Bones kickstarter, you can understand why they will be remaking the minis in Black. The detail on faces, rigidity of weapons, etc all show the advances in the last decade. If Reaper doesn't upgrade many of them, those will be useless pieces as no one would buy them compared to current offerings. Not all the original Bones will need this, but enough to make it worthwhile to invest in new moulds.

I don't know about "many" but definitely some would be improved significantly by switching to Black. It's a shame the Bones 1 minis they redid because of issues (Emma Stone, Juliette, Drogo Vos(sp?)) that they didn't wait to redo them in Bones Black... 

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On 11/11/2019 at 3:04 AM, Crowley said:

I don't know about "many" but definitely some would be improved significantly by switching to Black. It's a shame the Bones 1 minis they redid because of issues (Emma Stone, Juliette, Drogo Vos(sp?)) that they didn't wait to redo them in Bones Black... 

Well....bones black has only just made it's appearance with Bones IV, so we're looking at quite a number of years between when they decided to redo the minis and when bones black was introduced :-)

 

Seeing as Bones V included a few models originally created in Bones I being recreated in Bones Black we may see this occurring as stock runs low for the more popular pieces in classic bones...

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I'd venture to suggest that most of the problems with those early models like Juliette the Sorceress, etc. were less a question of the hopelessness of the regular Bones material, than about Reaper's lack of experience in working with the plastic "Bonesium" material:  it was very new at the time, and there appears to have been a learning curve that Reaper and heir Chinese manufacturing partners have had to work through to figure out what works well when sculpting for the stuff, and what needs a little extra attention to detail and technique and communication with the manufacturer.  To me, some of the rougher and most problematic Bones figures appeared in the Bones I Kickstarter, and each Kickstarter after that improved things to the point where I bet a lot of folks have trouble telling Bones and Bones Black apart (that Reaper added some colouring agents to some of the retular Bones figures to tint them grey has no doubt led to some confusion between the two varieties of plastic, but the improvement in quality for some of the newer regular Bones figures  has surely also done their fair share in fooling customers!)

 

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Also it looks like some are getting re-imagining look at the old Guardian Skeleton 2h sword sku 77238 and the new Bog Skeleton with 2h from Bones 4 (metal sku 03945) Other then a slight change in the pose and the thickening of the sword to prevent bends  the sculpt is almost exactly the same detail wise right down to Bob Ridolfi's makers mark, though the metal version of the Bog skeleton says it was by Julie Guthrie, so maybe Bob just did the Bones conversion work. Also the same can be said for the old bones Stone golem and the new larger one in Bones 5

 

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I actually rather like the original Bonesium, especially from Bones 3 and 4 minis. It's pliable enough that conversions are super easy, and it mostly fails in certain circumstances (such as polearms and swords) that can be rectified relatively easily with weapon swaps. Bones Black is much harder to cut through and convert, and pre-glued miniatures are much more annoying in the newer material.

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That's absolutely my experience with the original Bonesium, @Disciple of Sakura - it makes for super-easy conversions like weapon or head swaps.  And weapons and heads are usually the parts of the minis that fare the worst under the original Bonesium's weaknesses anyway.  Sadly, the very models I'm most likely to convert - the smaller, humanoid minis - are exactly the ones that are most likely to get cast in the more difficult Bones Black material.

 

Those weapons and heads I use for the swaps, I currently source from hard plastic 28mm wargaming minis, which bond pretty solidly to the old Bonesium with the usual S-Mart generic cyanoacrylate Wacky Gloo that works wonders with any other assembly task (if Reaper sold sprues of heads, weapons, adventuring gear, familiars, and other details in Bones Black for customizing regular Bones models, I'd gladly use those instead!)

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