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1 hour ago, Chris Palmer said:

Less than $15,000 to the next goal!


Looks like unlock maybe late tonight or early tomorrow??


I thought things were picking up.  I'm surprised we haven't reached goal yet today. 



1 hour ago, Corsair said:


I should probably walk away from here as I have been frustrated at no mention of anything sci-fi except that Ron did say there would be something. Also, there is too be nothing until Map 6, and as we are just now looking at the end of map 4, it will be another 600K plus before there is anything.



Sigh. :(


44 minutes ago, Disserrma said:

More busts by julie coming per the twitch


That might interest DH.  He likes the larger scale display pieces. 


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38 minutes ago, Sanael said:

Yeah, I had to leave the twitch early today, hoping for some screen shots of whatever new they showed... I'm sure someone will provide eventually.


I can wait.



So you didn't get to see the robot kobolds from the cartoon?

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10 minutes ago, Corsair said:

So you didn't get to see the robot kobolds from the cartoon?




Hmmm... text not in purple...could you possibly be serious? :huh::rock:


Didn't anyone do screen grabs of the show?

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16 minutes ago, Chris Palmer said:




Hmmm... text not in purple...could you possibly be serious? :huh::rock:


Didn't anyone do screen grabs of the show?

It should have been in purple, I was just kidding our resident god of the kobolds!

Got it fixed! Thanks

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2 hours ago, Disciple of Sakura said:

I don't know why I'm obsessively watching this. I can't really raise my current pledge any higher until long after the KS is closed. I should just step away and not pay attention until the end, but instead I'm just hanging out here anyway..

This is one of the few good things left on the road internet. Enjoy it. Spend what you can. Enjoy the company. Help other decide, be creative and promote something that is just nice and fun. It is also a nice background activity while painting 

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1 hour ago, Disciple of Sakura said:

I'm starting to feel like the gaps between goals is a bit too high...:down:

Its a trade-off... smaller goals= less models. It will pick up soon!

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12 hours ago, Chaoswolf said:

Y'know, it's kinda weird; I am excited about this KS, and there's a LOT of cool stuff being made, but I just can't bring myself to babysit this one. I check it once, maybe twice a day and that's it. I've skimmed this thread, but by no means have I read every word. It's kinda whatever happens, happens.


I was thinking about this some more....now I'm worried that I may be growing up and becoming a responsible adult!:blink:


5 hours ago, redambrosia said:

So, if I do a Facebook post with “#bones5core” that counts as one social media engagement, right? :blink: 


I don’t social media much.

I think that's how it works; I don't social media much, either.


2 hours ago, Disserrma said:

More busts by julie coming per the twitch


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Sharing this from FB for those interested. 
Lou Lessing
So a lot of folks have been wondering about how stretch goals compare to previous campaigns.This is a comparison of Bones 5 to Bones 4. The only reason I haven't included them here is that it took a couple hours just to do these two, and I wanted to get this posted tonight.
If there's interest I can add Bones 1 to 3 to this, and continue to update it throughout the campaign (although probably not daily -- there's probably such a thing as too many updates even for you guys.:)

Bones 5 is slightly inflated in this reputation by having its social goals split up instead of as a single set (Small World Heroes) and by including single minis with its base goals. As a result, Bones 5 has more single-mini additions to the Core Set, but Bones 4 had some of those too.

As of this time, we've unlocked 23 "real" stretch goals for the core set (that is, pledge dollar goals that unlock minis, not just bases). Bones 4 had unlocked 21 of these goals at this point. We have unlocked 5 expansions, Bones 4 had unlocked 4. We have unlocked 23 non-Expansion paid add-ons, Bones 4 had unlocked 22. Bones 4 had unlocked 6 expansion parts, Bones 5 has only unlocked 4.

(Expansion parts are sort of a weird category, because they're almost entirely ceremonial. Reaper pretty much commits to producing all the parts of an expansion when they add the first part to the PM for $50. They're not like core set goals where they could conceivably actually stay locked and not get produced -- nobody will buy a $50 expansion with only 11 minis in it, they pretty much have to finish them. Unlocking them in quarters and thirds is basically just an excuse to showcase them in three or four manageable updates instead of one huge one, and a way to insert extra stretch goals so we can hit them more often.)

In terms of total goals unlocked, Bones 4 and Bones 5 are very similar. We've had 2-3 more for most of the campaign, if we didn't let things like social goals and bases inflate Bones 5 we'd have 2-3 less. Either way, the exact goal numbers are different, but we're pretty much on the same schedule. I feel like Bones 4 spaced out goals a little better, with less at the very beginning and more in the 1mil-2mil range. But the difference is pretty small.

In the final days of Bones 4, Reaper pretty much dropped the numerical stretch goal system and just added a bunch of stuff. We can probably expect something similar at the end of this campaign. I'm expecting loads of expansion parts, this campaign's Fan Favorites, and perhaps the big pirate ship to fall into that category, and be unlocked without first being announced as dollar-value stretch goals in the final 2-4 days.

Perhaps most meaningfully, the core set has 133 figures right now. Bones 4 had 145 figures in the core set when it had raised this much money (maybe a little less, that number's counting some social goals that might not have been unlocked yet. The Bones 4 core set was $20 cheaper. The Bones 5 core set's still the best value per dollar in this campaign, and indeed probably in miniatures in general -- but for the folks complaining about it, there's your number. It is actually a good bit worse value than it used to be. Unquestionably.

The perception that the core set isn't getting updates is probably exacerbated by the fact that this campaign blew away 1 million dollars so quickly that almost none of the sub-1-million goals were given updates. The core set got plenty of goals early on, it was basically every other goal pretty much up to 1.5 million dollars. Since then, they've added a ton of paid stuff and basically nothing to the core except social goals.

1.5 to 2 million isn't a huge amount of the campaign in terms of dollars raised or overall numbers of stretch goals. Objectively it's only about 1/6th of the expected total and it's in the part of the campaign that always gets the fewest goals. (Early campaign gets close-together goals and day-1 momentum, the last few days get a bunch of add-ons without goals attached, but the middle of the campaign just has to struggle along.) If you just look at the numbers, it isn't huge.

But if you get your news from Reaper's updates, it would like that that was the whole campaign. It only took 5 days to cross 1.5 million, and the first million of that was all on day 1 and didn't get updates. We've been on the 1.5-2 million stretch for two weeks now, and in that time we've only seen two stretch goals for the core set. Bones 4 had five core set goals in that range, which is more, but remember that we've actually got more core set goals in total so far. They've just been conspicuously missing from the exact range we've been looking at from the past two weeks.

It might be good for Reaper to post some updates about those day-1 goals now. Some really cool stuff is currently being overlooked, and it would help break up the monotony of days where we don't hit any goals. It would definitely be good to announce some core set goals ASAP. It was quite rare in past campaigns not to have at least one core set goal coming up. We have been without one for a week!
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46 minutes ago, Chaoswolf said:

I was thinking about this some more....now I'm worried that I may be growing up and becoming a responsible adult!:blink:


I'm kinda right there with yah. I don't know if it's due to I didn't go to RCon this year or not but I was excited when the KS began but as the month has trudged along my interest in the journey for the KS has kinda lessened. I'm still keeping my pledge & I'll add to it Post-KS but I'm kinda looking more forward to the upcoming Wizkids Unpainted releases in the next few months. (thou that might be cause they are around the corner & they are items I can buy to support my FLGS).

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Number Based on 1800-1900 Reaper time today:
Current Total Pledges: $2,179,224
Current Total Backers: 15,582
Next Goal At $2,190,000
To go to Next Goal $10,776
Hours to next goal based on gains this hour: 20.1
Hours to next goal based on 24h Avg: 9.6
Gain in last Hour: $536
New Backers This Hour: 5
Total Gain Today: $20,844
Total Gain 24 Hours: $27,037
Average Hourly Pledges Today: $1,042
Average Hourly Pledges 24 Hours: $1,127
Current Average Pledge: $139.86
Average Hourly Backers Today: 3.7
Average Hourly Backers 24 Hours: 4.3
Previous Hour Total Pledges: $2,178,688
Previous Hour Total Backers: 15,577
Backers to beat Bones 1 2,100
Days to hit Bones 1 based on 24 hour average 20.6
Backers to beat Bones 2 -619
Backers to beat Bones 3 -2117
Backers to beat Bones 4 616
Days to hit Bones 4 based on 24 hour average 6.0
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