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14 minutes ago, criticalhit said:

I feel like the non-announcement of the ship's price needed to be compensated with another reveal or teaser 

100% agreement.  I was getting really annoyed that it took over 20 minutes into the show to show off anything at all.  They should have had something ready to lessen the disappointment and jumped to it right away, even if it was simply reviewing all the models they've already printed and shown. 

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16 minutes ago, Dan Goodchild said:

 

 

 

To be absolutely fair, Ron went out of his way to say the info was not 100% certain for today; just probably, hopefully today.

Enthusiastic backers just didn't hear that part.

How dare you use logic and reason! How am I expected to be outraged if you throw “fact” and “disclaimers” at me?


edit: gave up trying to make that purple on my mobile.

 

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2 minutes ago, Smokestack said:

How dare you use logic and reason! How am I expected to be outraged if you throw “fact” and “disclaimers” at me?

 

 

For people just following along here aren't going to get that info. That's one of the problems about only doing this via twitch.

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44 minutes ago, Smokestack said:

i didnt enjoy assembly on the medium and small minis. Didnt feel like it added anything either.

 

I mean, on a multi-part plastic mini... its great. You can assemble how you want. But on a small kobold that can only be assembled one way, whats the point?

The point might be that the figure would cost 50% or more at retail due to increased  mold complexity in order to produce it as a single cast piece.

Some poses just can't be done in a single cast without unnecessarily complex molds.

This part of the "magic" is something that people who haven't studied the design and production end of miniatures  rarely fully appreciate.

GEM

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They also have the disclaimer that official information is to be released ONLY through the kickstarter updates.

 

We can see how well that's gone :/ 

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1 minute ago, Green Eyed Monster said:

The point might be that the figure would cost 50% or more at retail due to increased  mold complexity in order to produce it as a single cast piece.

Some poses just can't be done in a single cast without unnecessarily complex molds.

This part of the "magic" is something that people who haven't studied the design and production end of miniatures  rarely fully appreciate.

GEM

Possibly. But comparing what was one piece and what wasn’t I don’t think that is universally true, 

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13 minutes ago, ksbsnowowl said:

I'll admit, if the Ship is shrunk by 25%, but the price is nailed at $100, I'd still absolutely buy it.  Twenty-four inches of playable deck space will still be very useful to me.

 

I don't think shrinking the ship a bit is going to hurt its overall sales.

 

They just need to keep the Nolzur's unpainted Falling Star in mind when they make their decisions (the Falling Star is listed as 33" long [which includes the bowspirit]).  It's MSRP is $150, IIRC.

 

This sort of trade would make me MORE likely to get one, honestly. Easier to store, still a useful item, still fun. But they need to announce that, and announce it now, if something like that was to happen.

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27 minutes ago, Green Eyed Monster said:

One Year Olds do grow up.

When dealing with assembly, practice makes for increased speed as your technique improves.

I'm sure that you are painting miniatures faster for a given level than you did when first starting out.

The same priciple applies to assembly.

GEM

I'm aware of this. It would be just as easy for more experienced or percfectionist painters to break the glue and reglue it to their tastes. Either way you're dismissing the other person's concerns and making them do something they don't want to do. If my choice is paint minis or glue minis (which I couldn't really do even a few months ago) how much am I actually going to spend on Reaper product? A lot less because of retail markup.

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52 minutes ago, YronimosW said:

 

Agreed completely - folks, we can assemble our own models, it's not that hard!  We don't need to be paying underprivileged Chinese kids pennies per hour to do it for us :P

 

Besides, the assembly is part of the fun of this sort of hobby, at least for me!

 

And, Reaper's models have nothing at all on those old hard plastic Japanese historical military ship, armor, and airplane model kits I used to build when I was a kid - those things came with booklets of detailed instructions, and were loaded with bits you could barely see, had to be held with fine-tip tweezers, with elaborate instructions for using a needle and thread to reproduce realistic sailing ship rigging, and in a couple of cases even came with spools of wire and the parts for you to build your own motors to motorize the things with!  If you were lucky, those detailed instructions were in a language you could read and write - I spent one summer at age 12 or so, with a stack of multi-language instructions for other, similar model kits for use as "Rosetta Stones" for translation, trying to build a model kit whose instructions were entirely in Japanese, with incomprehensible illustrations and diagrams, and parts that were in no way intuitive to assemble together....

 

I don't mean to sidetrack onto a "Back in My Day, You Got Off My Lawn When I Yelled At You" story - those ultra-fiddly and complicated Japanese model kits were fun.  What I'm getting at is that these Reaper models are pretty easy to assemble, even the Stygian Barge.  If you can paint this stuff, you can assemble it even more easily!  :)

 

 

not sure how you could have something like that ship without there being at least some assembly required.  I was expecting the hull, masts, spars, rigging, and deck furniture (cabins, cannons, ladders, netting, and gratings) to all be separate items.  to do otherwise would make the ship difficult to paint...

 

37 minutes ago, lexomatic said:

I have a one year old. Every mini I have to assem le is several I don't get to paint. I don't enjoy it, but can.

 

I don't know about that...  I built a wooden Baltimore clipper while staying up late with my first child and a Thames Steamer while staying up late with my second child.  it all depends on your coping mechanisms ^_^

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9 minutes ago, lexomatic said:

For people just following along here aren't going to get that info. That's one of the problems about only doing this via twitch.

I have watched twitch off and on.  its basically the same show every day.  I totally forgot that they had planned this announcement today lol

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3 minutes ago, Green Eyed Monster said:

The point might be that the figure would cost 50% or more at retail due to increased  mold complexity in order to produce it as a single cast piece.

Some poses just can't be done in a single cast without unnecessarily complex molds.

This part of the "magic" is something that people who haven't studied the design and production end of miniatures  rarely fully appreciate.

GEM

 

Considering how much negativity and complaining was directed at the Townsfolk Option in this Kickstarter for their "static poses" and comments in the Kickstarter comments about Reaper's older sculpts being "too flat", I think it really is worth remembering that the more dynamic, three-dimensional poses almost demand multi-part models to be practical.  For those gamers who would be fine with a flat, static pawn that looks just enough like an Orc or Dwarf to get the point across (see the old HeroQuest board game pieces), a quick-and-dirty one-piece model is just fine.  For those who demand something a little more visually interesting, natural, and realistic, the multipart designs and assembly that comes with them should, perhaps, be considered a feature, rather than a bug.

 

3 minutes ago, NebulousMissy said:

They also have the disclaimer that official information is to be released ONLY through the kickstarter updates.

 

We can see how well that's gone :/ 

 

That's exactly the point I was about to make next, glad you beat me to it! :)  I think things might go a lot smoother for the Kickstarter fans if they considered the Kickstarter updates to be the official system of record, and everything else to be in the realm where "seeing is believing" and a healthy grain of salt is the rule.

 

Which is one big reason that I have been avoiding twitch and vlogs and so on - they're OK as a source of rumor that can't be relied on but might be fun to speculate about, but hardly an official announcement!

 

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This is my first Kickstarter of any kind, and overall, I haven't been too disappointed, other then some small things I wish were offered separately in some of the expansions, but there you go. I'm actually glad there's a couple expansions and add-ons I don't care for, saves me money. What I don't get are some of the comments -not in here so much- about various minis. If you don't like it, don't get it. Just because I don't like the kids minis or the gem dragon doesn't mean I'm gonna broccoli on someone who does.

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3 minutes ago, YronimosW said:

 

Considering how much negativity and complaining was directed at the Townsfolk Option in this Kickstarter for their "static poses" and comments in the Kickstarter comments about Reaper's older sculpts being "too flat", I think it really is worth remembering that the more dynamic, three-dimensional poses almost demand multi-part models to be practical.  For those gamers who would be fine with a flat, static pawn that looks just enough like an Orc or Dwarf to get the point across (see the old HeroQuest board game pieces), a quick-and-dirty one-piece model is just fine.  For those who demand something a little more visually interesting, natural, and realistic, the multipart designs and assembly that comes with them should, perhaps, be considered a feature, rather than a bug.

 

 

That's exactly the point I was about to make next, glad you beat me to it! :)  I think things might go a lot smoother for the Kickstarter fans if they considered the Kickstarter updates to be the official system of record, and everything else to be in the realm where "seeing is believing" and a healthy grain of salt is the rule.

 

Which is one big reason that I have been avoiding twitch and vlogs and so on - they're OK as a source of rumor that can't be relied on but might be fun to speculate about, but hardly an official announcement!

 

I, personally, would like more flat, static pawns that get the point across.

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1 minute ago, criticalhit said:

I, personally, would like more flat, static pawns that get the point across.

Same here...though Im not gonna lie.  I would love an old lady wielding a iron skillet like a club.

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