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I wouldn’t feel bad about getting the flu shot. I seriously hope that the government here is following useful statistics such as ICU beds filled and not the media’s favorite grimly reported statistic of percent testing positive.

 

Why?

 

Come flu season, people will start getting flu, then panic thinking they may have the Rona. Result is going to be a plummeting “positive” rate. As much as I look forward to having restrictions lifted as it has been nine months now since I have been in the office (and I have never met my team IRL), the engineer in me hates useless metrics. 

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woot woot woot! I got my first covid vaccine today!!! Hope it's ok to post here. If not, apologies and delete away. Not trying to be controversial or anything.   In frustrating news I h

I got mine today too @Corporea!  #feelsgoodman

Honestly? Not well. Our local hospitals are at, or very close, to 100% capacity in terms of ICU beds and the children's hospital nearby has started accepting adult patients to try and handle the overf

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Finally they made masks mandatory in the Netherlands for public places.

We're heading for a working vaccin, it is expected to be able to vaccinate the first people somewhere in January.

 

Furthermore, no more than 2 people from different households outside.

Keep distance.

Bars/Restaurants etc stil closed.

No events.

Fireworks during Newyears Eve are now forbidden ( of course with the open EU borders people will buy illegal and heavy fireworks from Poland and Germany making things only worse)

 

We are doing fine, we are careful, hope it will be enough.

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Well the tonsil thing might be unrelated to me often having a hoarse throat. Got prescribed doing saline rinses for a while, and a nose spray, and if that doesn't help, see a specialist. Got throat swabs, which I think are worse than the covid test. Throat swabs make me want to cough and gag because something is poking the back of the throat. Covid test is just extreme booger picking. Seemed like it was wise to get the problem checked, since Bumps on Throat can potentially be bad, but this is most likely in the category of Not Awful, but Worth Checking and Monitoring.

 

Vancouver might have stabilized on cases/day - not at as low a level as desired, but not really growing within the city. However, outside of the big city is starting to get worse.

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Not BC, but California....

 

Wine country is plagued. My family (dad, his partner, her parents) are sick after ignoring the CDC begging people to not gather for Thanksgiving. The in-laws have been particularly not-careful and wanted to see the others....

I hope they heal super fast so that when we're all healthy and the border opens I can smack them before I give them hugs. Their current symptoms are mild, thankfully, so I have high hopes for seeing them again and getting to deliver the smack. Love them, but I am also very frustrated.

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As an update on our front, I received our numbers from the local hospital this morning.  Our covid census has increased from 73 to 97 this week, and they project based on the community increase for that to reach 140 in the next few weeks.   This is in line with the data we've been collecting since april. Cases in our county increased from 672 in one week to 1080 this past week.  I had a patient come in positive without knowing it, but so far my testing is negative and I feel fine.  Our hospital is shutting down overnight elective surgeries again to reduce hospital bed usage.  Keep in mind, our hospital has a total of 435 beds, and we currently have over 90 clinical staff out sick due to covid.  We'll get through it.  But please consider this in your holiday plans, as I suspect many areas are experiencing similar rate changes.  Be safe.

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Where I live (Manitoba, Canada), our premiere declared a province wide code red lockdown. Every non-essential business was to close. I have no issue with this, except for the vendors, liquor stores and dope dispensers are allowed to stay open (but don't get me started on that one.)

Now, the provincial government has decided to allow shopping centers to open for the "Christmas season", while maintaining social distancing guidelines. What a crock.

 

If they had listened to the doctors here, we wouldn't have the second worst case of covid in the country. From the outset of this pandemic, I have been saying that ALL non-essential businesses should be closed, masks worn at ALL times, and just think. (ask my wife about this.....she's tired of me continually bringing this up)

 

 

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6 hours ago, Reverend Shartan said:

 liquor stores and dope dispensers are allowed to stay open

 

I read an interesting post about this recently from a medical professional. Putting personal opinion aside, there is a real concern about the additional impact to the hospitals during the pandemic if they were to close them.

Those with full blow addictions could require days to weeks of hospitalization should their supply be suddenly cut off, which are beds and personnel the hospitals can't spare currently.

I'd never thought of it from that perspective...

 

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Feeling down today.  I just found out that a friend of mine from the Navy (ANAV on my last ship), his wife just passed from Covid.  First person I personally know.  
She was in her 40's like me, with kids.  Wear your masks people, and try to limit contact please.  I know it's rough during the holidays, but don't take the chance of making it rougher.

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3 hours ago, Jasper_the_2nd said:

 

I read an interesting post about this recently from a medical professional. Putting personal opinion aside, there is a real concern about the additional impact to the hospitals during the pandemic if they were to close them.

Those with full blow addictions could require days to weeks of hospitalization should their supply be suddenly cut off, which are beds and personnel the hospitals can't spare currently.

I'd never thought of it from that perspective...

 

I've read the same post/article......I kind of believe it.  I also have read that this "problem" is pretty much North America only. Other countries don't have the addiction issue that seems to have NA in its' grip. We HAD the best "record" for dealing with covid, until the government became stuck on stupid.

 

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Corporea mentioned why liquor stores should remain open here in the forums too, and she is a doctor. I'm inclined to believe medical professionals on the matter. Not sure the USA ever had a good record on it - but going further would get banhammered.

 

BC almost skipped the first wave of the virus with mostly Asking Nicely, and then a set of restrictions/recommendations that were taken well. They've tried to target types of events and locations where infection is happening since then for closing, instead of hard lockdowns, and then follow it with contact tracing. Made it a long way before it got gnarly, but the targeted approach meant that the rules changed a lot over time. And then people got complacent, or stopped paying attention. Now we have a set of rules that at a glance seem odd, but I understand the rationale behind them. Not working as well as our PHO would like, but they are working a bit. Our 7 day average is inching downward - not as fast as we want, but it is. Sadly, yesterday was our worst for fatalities; our long term care homes are hit hard (26/28 deaths yesterday were long term care residents). Rules are such that socializing is household only (unless you live alone - you get A Buddy), but a household can go to a restaurant that meets the safety criteria. Businesses that can operate within the safety criteria are still open. We only recently got a mask mandate for indoor public space - it seems mostly in place to protect businesses trying to enforce their own at this point. Most places already required it (although the pet shop closest to me didn't - so I started going further away to a shop with immaculate safety precautions in place). Any event, even outdoors, which had the potential for people gathering and not keeping well contact-traceable is out, including some of the light festivals at the botanical gardens. That makes me pretty sad, since compared to ski areas, those seem okay with rules in place (outdoors, masked, spaced, by reservation only). But... the PHO is smarter on this stuff than me.

 

Last time I read the report on where infections were happening, it seemed like most was Households (like 30%+), followed by workplaces (30%), pre/post sports activities (15%), then a range of smaller places, including restaurants. Certainly the ratios vary by location, and likely have changed since last report went out.

 

I discovered that a small playground near where I live has a super long adult size swing set next to the kids one. Definitely going to make use of that at night when no one is around. Bring the sanitizer and swing. It is relaxing, and it overlooks the bay with big mountains behind the water.

 

Issue with my tonsils is not plague, herpes, or any well known virus or bacteria - but also doesn't seem to be a Very Bad. Me being super prone to hoarse throat and sensitive to inhaled stuff is probably mild allergies so I'm testing out some regular antihistimines. Got a follow-up with the doctor in person next week and if I still have the icky tonsil-pimple-thing, I'll get sent to a specialist who can probably cut the sucker out.

 

So far, at day.... 10....? of my dad being sick, worst he has is mild lethargy and he couldn't taste his coffee or breakfast pastry. His wife is fully couch potatoed but is up for video games. Hope that's the worst of the bad karma for them.

 

@Corporea with your doctorly wisdom, do you think that giving a friend a partially cooked meal, delivered at a safe distance, then dining online is okay? Example: make homemade ravioli, don't cook the ravioli, but deliver ravioli to friend by plunking package at the door - friend has to boil it still (and hand wash after touching containers). Or cookie dough all ready and rolled into balls - friend tosses in the oven. In my mind this is, because boiling water or high oven heat tends to kill bad stuff, but hey, I know rocks and minerals more than human bodies.

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I'm still waiting for today's update (as an aside, the icon NB uses for their Covid dashboard website is VERY similar to the Gumroad web site for purchasing STLs from various artists....could be expensive clicking on the wrong one too often....) but as of last night we are back to Yellow (from Orange) for our region, which relaxes a few restrictions. We still had 37 active cases locally with yesterday's update.

People mostly seem to be following the rules from what I've seen and heard.  I think the approval of the vaccine for Canada has at least motivated people in that an end of restrictions may be in sight, even if it is still months off.  Some sort of realistic timeline certainly more positive I think than the previous guesses and speculation, even if it is further away than anyone really wants.

 

Unfortunately the timelines aren't looking really good for the Montreal GP next year (currently scheduled for Jun 13th).  Due to Canada not having a large number of tracks or race series, Montreal relies on a lot of marshals from other countries (like 50% or more). As it is, I'd need to self isolate at least coming back from Montreal if I were to go, and with their numbers I don't think I'd risk it unless I had a vaccine. 

But who knows, the FIA can always throw around some money and see what happens......

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2 hours ago, Cyradis said:

 

@Corporea with your doctorly wisdom, do you think that giving a friend a partially cooked meal, delivered at a safe distance, then dining online is okay? Example: make homemade ravioli, don't cook the ravioli, but deliver ravioli to friend by plunking package at the door - friend has to boil it still (and hand wash after touching containers). Or cookie dough all ready and rolled into balls - friend tosses in the oven. In my mind this is, because boiling water or high oven heat tends to kill bad stuff, but hey, I know rocks and minerals more than human bodies.

 

That was our Thanksgiving- I dropped a pie at my brother's and took home some lovely turkey, etc. Yum yum! I think you're good with that plan, and your risk should be minimal.  For surfaces, most of the stuff I've read says a few hours to a few days, depending on the surface- I tend to err on the side of caution and say 48 hrs to 72 hrs. By then, virus particles should be dead.  But, don't stress too much about surfaces, because they key is then not to touch your face.  The virus isn't transmitted by touch, but by particles making their way into your eyes, mouth or nose.  Things on the surface of a container shouldn't re-aerosolize, so just practice good hand hygeine and you're fine.  Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/etc everyone!  We can do this. I have faith in us humans to work together to make the world a brighter, or at least more fully painted surface!  

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