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8 hours ago, ksbsnowowl said:


I’m fairly certain the earth scion coming from Bones 5 is a female. I could be wrong, but the shape of the chest looks like it has breasts under the armor. 
 

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You know, you may be right. I could have sworn that one was a male one, but it'd be nice if it was female! Either, way, I'd like a complete set of male + female for all the elements.

 

I mean.... I'd also like a non-binary / androgynous set as well, but getting that stuff commercial is.... very difficult.

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I'mma second this, with a huge enthusiasm.   I'd also like to see - in addition to heroes and adventurers - more townsfolk/NPC-type miniatures with some of these traits; they might not be cu

It has, and it's unfortunately down to this:   Probably a lot of that's our fault, because inevitably if we're not developing/promoting the Sensible Shoes line, then they won't do that wel

Dark Sword has started adding a wider range of body types and ages lately. They have a very nice androgynous rogue sort of character, and some older witches who aren't hag-like. They're just nice olde

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3 hours ago, PhantomAsh said:

 

I mean.... I'd also like a non-binary / androgynous set as well, but getting that stuff commercial is.... very difficult.

 

I think, if enough people were to really push for it, it could be done. I've been following Paizo Publishing for around ten years now, and it's been interesting watching more and more (I'm not trying to offend anyone, but this isn't something I'm familiar with) not "straight" content make its way into the products. Most Starfinder products I've encountered have some sort of non-binary character. I like the idea, especially since so many of their fans and employees seem to be or support non traditional sexes and genders. If you look into the message boards over there, the gamers and writers/publishers are really supportive of each other in this manner. That mutual support is what, I believe, has led to more non-traditional sexes, genders and the roles associated with them. If it's handled with respect, I think gaming can be an excellent way to understand these sexes, genders and roles, both with regards to ourselves and others. 

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1 hour ago, Great Khan Artist said:

I think, if enough people were to really push for it, it could be done. I've been following Paizo Publishing for around ten years now, and it's been interesting watching more and more (I'm not trying to offend anyone, but this isn't something I'm familiar with) not "straight" content make its way into the products. Most Starfinder products I've encountered have some sort of non-binary character. I like the idea, especially since so many of their fans and employees seem to be or support non traditional sexes and genders. If you look into the message boards over there, the gamers and writers/publishers are really supportive of each other in this manner. That mutual support is what, I believe, has led to more non-traditional sexes, genders and the roles associated with them. If it's handled with respect, I think gaming can be an excellent way to understand these sexes, genders and roles, both with regards to ourselves and others. 

 

That is a very good point and something that might be worth starting here. I'm willing to lead a cheer for some gender-neutral / gender non-conformjngcharacters. ::P: I'm non-binary myself and decent gender non-conforning reps of any kind are... not common in many cases. I haven't actually checked out Starfinder but I am going to have a look based off those comments; though admittedly I am not particularly fond of non-binary representation that just happens to always be supernatural or alien. P: (nothing like the subtle implication that gender non-conformity is viewed as non-human :rolleyes:)

 

I would definitely like to see something from Reaper or even the next Kickstarter, though I am not sure of the chance. :poke: I think if I have any complaints about Bones 5 (not that I really do), it's that many of the minis were very... heavily muscular man and skinny woman across the board. There's a few outliners, but I would have been nice to have seen more figures like the barkeep from Brinewind across the whole Kickstarter.

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9 minutes ago, PhantomAsh said:

 

That is a very good point and something that might be worth starting here. I'm willing to lead a cheer for some gender-neutral / gender non-conformjngcharacters. ::P: I'm non-binary myself and decent gender non-conforning reps of any kind are... not common in many cases. I haven't actually checked out Starfinder but I am going to have a look based off those comments; though admittedly I am not particularly fond of non-binary representation that just happens to always be supernatural or alien. P: (nothing like the subtle implication that gender non-conformity is viewed as non-human :rolleyes:)

 

I would definitely like to see something from Reaper or even the next Kickstarter, though I am not sure of the chance. :poke: I think if I have any complaints about Bones 5 (not that I really do), it's that many of the minis were very... heavily muscular man and skinny woman across the board. There's a few outliners, but I would have been nice to have seen more figures like the barkeep from Brinewind across the whole Kickstarter.

 

Take a look at Westfalia Miniatures and search for their Pride Knights.

 

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5 hours ago, PhantomAsh said:

That is a very good point and something that might be worth starting here. I'm willing to lead a cheer for some gender-neutral / gender non-conformjngcharacters. ::P: I'm non-binary myself and decent gender non-conforning reps of any kind are... not common in many cases.

This is a subject that is also very important to me and I would hope for some greater diversity in the future.  It's nice to see it being discussed here, as conversations around wanting more women dwarves in the KS comments lead to the typical, unimaginative "did you assume their gender" jokes.

Representation in gaming maters.  It's why I'm always glad to see non-white-male figures.  If people are confused how more androgyny could benefit their character designs, look at it more as body-diversity.  People LOVED some of the options amongst the henchmen and henchwomen.  And the recent Dungeons and Diversity line of wheel-chair using minis were incredibly popular online.  There's just a lot of room to break from the "traditional."

Sidebar on the word "traditional."  I would caution people away from referring to subjects of diversity as "traditional" or "non-traditional."  Traditionally the majority voices dictate what is or isn't seen as "normal," and using that kind of wording implies that minority representation is seen as abnormal, strange, or wrong.  Like the "alien" point PhantomAsh mentioned.

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Just going to raise my hand as well in regards to wanting more gender and body type diversity in miniatures! I play with several nonbinary people, as well as others whom often prefer playing androgynous characters. I'd love to see more representation in miniatures. :)

Another thing I've asked for before is bald women. :)

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1 hour ago, Great Khan Artist said:

You guys want gender diverse minis? Let's start a thread to talk about it. Is there one kicking around? I think we can do this without involving the beekeepers. 

 

Indeed, it may need another thread instead of this one.

 

But I am absolutely in support of minis who are gender diverse, and diverse in other ways. Gaming and painting should be welcoming for everyone :)

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Yes, that would be a much better thing as a separate thread; this is drifting away from Bones enthusiasm.

 

You could discuss this in either the Bones or Metal figures I'd like to see threads, or if you don't have a material preference, you could start a new one.

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Diversity and Representation in Miniatures

This thread was prompted by a recent tangent in the Bones 5 enthusiasm thread.  It appears that there is interest in discussing what kind of diversity we would like to see in future mini offerings.

 

A word of warning.

I believe this thread would be most useful as a place to discuss diversity and representation and actionable ways we could obtain more of that in the world of miniatures. Listing things you want to see are perfect. Arguing about the usefulness or desirability of those things are not.  This is also not a place to argue about the merits of various minority identities. This is an inherently (social) political subject, but do your best to leave your politics outside of this thread. I don't want to see something with such potential being shut down.

When in doubt, leave room for those who are members of that minority group to guide the conversation. We all have room to learn!

 

With that out of the way, I wanted to briefly state WHY this is important. Representation is very important. To see yourself and identity reflected in the world around you is essential for your mental health, and to find your own place in the world. Unfortunately, representation is often determined by the majority and the default tends to be a reflection of the majority's own image. What this means is that these stereotypes and cliches get perpetuated. This is especially apparent in the world of fantasy minis that is still heavily influence by the pulp fantasy that inspired the genre. This leaves us with a lot conan-esque rippling muscle men with a distinctly western-european look. And scantly-clad women with super-model-like bodies.

 

I challenge the community to do better. I challenge artists to keep this in mind. There is nothing inherently wrong with cliche and tradition, but there's already plenty of offerings in those areas. Let's try something new!

 

Gender Diversity:

- Androgynous/non-binary characters that aren't "alien" in nature.

- traditionally masculine qualities on otherwise feminine models

- traditionally feminine qualities on otherwise masculine models

 

Ethnic Diversity

- hair styles and facial features of non-caucasion humans. Specifically on otherwise genre traditional attire (you don't need a kimono to showcase asian features, etc.)

 

Body Diversity

- characters with extra weight in non-comical poses

 

Disability Diversity

- non-old characters using mobility aides such as canes and wheelchairs.

 

Please feel free to expand, respond, or add your own wants. There are so many different kinds of people and it would be great to see what qualities people believe are missing in the mini world.

 

To start this off I'm tagging a few of you who showed interest in this subject in the previous thread.

@Great Khan Artist @Cyradis

@PhantomAsh @Guyra @Glitterwolf

Note: if this is not the right thread for something like this, could we get moved to the correct spot? I was not quite sure where to put this.

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I'mma second this, with a huge enthusiasm.

 

I'd also like to see - in addition to heroes and adventurers - more townsfolk/NPC-type miniatures with some of these traits; they might not be currently useful to me, but someone else would probably be thrilled, and I am happy to enable somebody else's miniature habit!

Human and otherwise; it's really hard to find monsters in anything other than monsterous roles (outside of Heroforge), and I know for a fact I'm not the only GM who's gone looking.

 

Bonus points for plump elf wizards of both genders, lean dwarves, lanky - wirey! - ogres and other variants I almost never see. Double bonus points for characters of all genders and species with hints that they wear glasses or other visual aides.

 

And - I'mma apologise in advance to a bunch of sculptors and artists who might fall into a few reference picture rabbit holes - more accurate, or near-accurate medieval clothing on some of them, for the sticklers and purists I /know/ exist out there. Just for gits and shiggles.

 

 

 

 

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Let's all keep the Politics out of this like Moonglowminis aks or this will be shut down by mods.

 

I just love to paint minis as I mentioned before, to me it's not about representation in games.

To me it's another type of mini to paint and why not?

So many different people so many styles, there is a lot of potential for great minis.

I welcome it.

 

And for those who do game it would be great to be able to choose a character that fits your own identity or wants.

Now I'm your stereotype average white male, but I love to paint minis of different cultures/bodyshapes/gender and what ever may be possible.

I love the scantily clad babes and muscular barbarians. Sure I do.

But I would also love to see more accurate bodytypes and style.

 

For instance,

I'm not a body builder, I'm 56 yrs old and bald, so I would love to see a fierce warrior with a little more belly and no hair.

I would love to see a plus size female warrior or sorceress.

I would love to see a scrawny youngster being a hero or villain.

Let the evil Necromancer miss a leg.

Let the Paladin Hero be of African heritage.

Let the Wise Wizard be an older woman.

Etc etc...

 

( I love evil minis by the way)

 

I have several projects ( usually Undead/Monsters/Reptiles) based on different cultures/mythologies.

It would be cool to see more races being included without the stereotypes.

I still love those, don't get me wrong, but like mentioned by the Topic Starter one does not need a kimono to depict an Asian woman.

 

I would like us to mention sources for more diverse minis so we can all benefit from it.

 

On the topic of gender diverse minis:

I already mentioned before.

 

Westfalia Miniatures - Pride Knights.

 

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Reaper Miniatures:

 

https://www.reapermini.com/search/figurefinder+dwarf/latest/89052

 

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https://www.reapermini.com/search/gender

 

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Also stuff like this:

 

Strata Miniatures

 

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3D Files can be found on Myminifactory.

These are from MiniaturesCraze.

 

This is a nice change from your stereotype African Warriors which are usually Zulu warrior

 

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I like that the henchwomen in Bones 5 have a heavy woman and the women are wearing practical gear. I am all for sexy gear, boob armor, pretty dresses, etc. I love to paint female figures. It is also very nice to see those henchwomen and gear that they don't need to rely on magic to protect all of their bare skin! I snapped them right up!

 

I would like to see some heavier set adventurers. Henry VIII had armor when he was older and he had enjoyed many a feast and wasn't the skinny king he used to be!

 

I love the Madame Delia mini. There are several in Bones 5 as has been pointed out already that show breaking away from stereotypes.  A step in the right direction!

 

@Glitterwolf you posted some gorgeous minis! I have seen the wheelchair minis but had not seen the others. I am going to have to look for some of those!

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