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2 hours ago, ksbsnowowl said:

Got my shipping notification on Monday. Tracking hasn’t updated at all, though, matching reports from others that it can take several days to move once you get the tracking number. 

 

I also got shipping notification on Monday and USPS is showing an estimated delivery date of Saturday.

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2 hours ago, crowsandbones said:

I finally received my order, small as it was it took forever! Went for a bag o' skulls

 

Got mine delivered today, and it was only a bag of skulls too. Was supposed to be delivered yesterday, but apparently it missed the bus somewhere along the trail. Shipping notice sent out on Sept. 2, and delivery on the 15th. Could have been worse. I don't blame Secret Weapon, who knows what's going on with USPS right now. If my observation of the mail carrier making his rounds and continually backtracking to put missed items out is any indication, it's probably not good (though I did note it wasn't my usual mail carrier today).

 

Happy with my purchase, looks like I got just around 50 skulls as advertised.

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Update from the Kickstarter.  It's news, but not really news that means I'm likely to get my mitts on the bases I pledged for.  😕

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/secretweapon/hd-bases-by-secret-weapon-miniatures-0/posts/3520768

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31-May-2022

Sacramento, CA

Secret Weapon Miniatures, Inc. (SWM) has spent the past seven months attempting to resolve a dispute with Trolltrader/Tabletop Combat (TTC), over their false claim to hold a license to Secret Weapon intellectual property, and sales of counterfeit product within and outside of the United States. That claim has made it impossible for us to find a legitimate partner or buyer for the Secret Weapon IP. SWM has made a good faith effort to resolve this by offering to enter into a license agreement with TTC upon payment due for products delivered. That offer, and others, have been refused.

This situation has forced Secret Weapon to default on its debts to US Bank, who now hold the Secret Weapon IP, and all outstanding accounts payable. We will continue to do our due diligence in an attempt to resolve the IP issue, and work with US Bank to find new owners. Until that happens, Secret Weapon can take no action to resolve outstanding projects.

While attempting to resolve this dispute we made no public posts or comments on any official Secret Weapon channel. We regret the anxiety that this silence has caused for many in our community. Going forward, there will not be regular updates here until such time as US Bank has resolved questions regarding Secret Weapon business assets including, but not limited to, the HD Bases designs. While Tabletop Combat continues to falsely claim to hold rights to any of our IP no other company has been willing to involve themselves in the dispute, and so we, and US Bank, remain without legitimate buyers or licensees.

Secret Weapon will continue to sell the Secret Weapon paint, and dungeon tiles, while inventories last so that it can continue to cover rent on the warehouse where the physical assets are being stored on behalf of US Bank. I have contracted someone to ship those orders once per week as I cannot do any work on behalf of Secret Weapon.

When and if the dispute with TTC is resolved, and if and when I can help US Bank find a buyer for the HD Bases property, I will post appropriate updates. Until then, it is with great sadness that I can say little, and do less.

Justin McCoy

 

 

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Yikes. That is a horrendous situation. Hard to think what could even cause a good faith mistake like that, but we are unlikely to ever know. Had considered TTCombat stuff before, but won't now.

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Pretty much the same here.  I had seriously considered their stuff, but if they're going to pull that kind of move...  Well, I'd be curious where such a dispute stems from.

 

I can find a post on the 28th of November 2019 on TT Combat's Blog titled "Secret Weapon + TTCombat" about a partnership between the two, but there's literally nothing else that comes up.

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Last Chance Sale: 

 

"Your purchase will help cover rent and attorney fees as we continue trying to resolve the issue of TT Combat/Troll Trader in the UK falsely claiming to have a license to our IP, which has made it impossible to sell or license to legitimate parties. This is your LAST CHANCE to purchase Secret Weapon paints, pigments, and dungeon tiles. Inventory is limited to stock on hand."

 

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At Origins this past week, I browsed the TTCombat booth.  I saw some nice kits, but it didn't feel right to buy them.  I think TTCombat may be on my pass list unless/until this situation gets sorted.  At this point, I don't think it can be sorted 😕

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Dakka has a thread on this, but I'm in the "we will never know" and "backers always get screwed when there's a legal issue" camps. Because, in previous legal issues I've found out on KS, "we never did know" what the legal documents said and "backers always get screwed when there's a legal issue", even ones not related directly to the project (see the "Up Front" KS on BGG). 

 

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/800452.page

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6 hours ago, ced1106 said:

Dakka has a thread on this, but I'm in the "we will never know" and "backers always get screwed when there's a legal issue" camps. Because, in previous legal issues I've found out on KS, "we never did know" what the legal documents said and "backers always get screwed when there's a legal issue", even ones not related directly to the project (see the "Up Front" KS on BGG). 

 

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/800452.page

 

That's some good truth you're laying down.  Thanks for the thread link.

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That is an interesting read and does give a little more insight into what's going on.  TT says they did pay SW, so there is/was a license.  How that all falls out at this point is going to be up to the lawyers and the language of the agreements.

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3 hours ago, mikem91 said:

That is an interesting read and does give a little more insight into what's going on.  TT says they did pay SW, so there is/was a license.  How that all falls out at this point is going to be up to the lawyers and the language of the agreements.

Agreed. My take on the situation now is that there was a licensing agreement put in place granting some sort of exclusive sales territory to TT for SW products, and either there was a disagreement to what "exclusive" actually entailed or one side completely disregarded the terms. 

This doesn't look to me like some sort of predatory "shut down the competitor" IP dispute like the initial SW post implied, but more of a "he said, she said" situation. 

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