WhiteWulfe Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Yeah, despite being an advocate for it at home (and liking it), seeing 3d printing suddenly mixed in is raising some serious alarm bells, because this was NEVER mentioned before, and is supposedly a BONES PLASTIC Kickstarter. There is a great deal of apprehension from many, and it mostly being glossed over and now apparently many things will be released this way.. It doesn't sit well for me, and gives off some rather bad vibes. Yeah, I'm very VERY glad I haven't put any more in. I won't be until this information is cleared up FULLY, which sucks because this next cheque or two I was going to add in the expansions I was wanting, but now am definitely going to wait. Sure, there may be some valid reasons for going this route, especially with logistics and how it's been Chaotic and will be for some time, but suddenly shifting gears and tracks without any previous mention of this even being remotely considered in the official Kickstarter updates (I could care less if it's been mentioned on Twitch, it's been repeatedly stated that the official source of info is Kickstarter updates for the Kickstarter) is extremely concerning. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarah Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Ron has mentioned in the Twitch stream a couple of times now that they have been releasing high quality 3d printed figures since September. Some of the con figures, and some of the monthly freebies were made in-house on the new machines. He said, for now, he was not going to give specific information on the machines and the material they are using. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrift Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I’m currently painting up the con figures I purchased. The Gingerbread Knight I painted up in December was one of those acquisitions. If any of the figures I got at ReaperCon are of the quality of 3-D printing they’re saying, then I can attest to how amazing the figures are. I am sympathetic to those who have concerns about it and those are valid. Generally, Reaper’s quality is astounding and they wouldn’t just drop a bunch of crap minis on people during fulfillment to save a few bucks. I do think they should address this issue in greater detail BEFORE it blows up into a serious amount of grumbling. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf the Stout Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 My issues wouldn’t be with the quality. I get awesome prints on my $600 home printer, so Reaper’s printers are going to beat that. My concern is durability. Bones are damn near unbreakable. 3D printed minis tend to be much more fragile. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsky07 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 5 hours ago, msfnc said: I love the hogmen, that’s a winner. 3D printing? What’s the material and method? Definitely a surprise, and not what I pledged for. Reaper hasn’t ever done me wrong before, so I guess we’ll wait and see how this cookie crumbles. I think this is my take on the newest update as well. I can definitely see where criticism is coming from. Then again I understand why as a business they might take some unpopular decisions. Probably decisions being also sort of forced on them and not at all what they would like to do. With uncertainty of the global situation and potential of it getting worse at no notice, the more control they have over the production and logistics of their projects the better for them. Actually that might also be a reason of Bones 6 being one of the last physical overseas crowdfunding I support. The level of volatility regarding shipping, taxation and timelines is becoming ridiculous. Definitely not something I wanted or needed 😞 I do agree that being as transparent as possible about the situation is best way forward for Reaper. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitterwolf Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Inarah said: Ron has mentioned in the Twitch stream a couple of times now that they have been releasing high quality 3d printed figures since September. Some of the con figures, and some of the monthly freebies were made in-house on the new machines. He said, for now, he was not going to give specific information on the machines and the material they are using. I haven't backed this time, so maybe it's not my place to comment but... I do print a lot of minis, detail is great if you use the right settings. But in this case I think it would be wise to come forward about which material is being used. Some resins will break easily while others are more sturdy, I can imagine that people ( like @WhiteWulfe mentioned) will refrain from adding more money till they know what to expect. It's not a good business decision to leave customers in the dark about what they will be paying for. Reaper is an awesome company with great customer support, in this case they might underestimate the impact of such a decision without revealing what kind of material will be supplied. Just my two cents and hoping all will work out fine for everybody. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruggs Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) The issue is this change has been done very late in the game and was nowhere discussed in the funding period on Kickstarter nor in the multitude of updates. Now what are people supposed to do who have dumped a large amount of money into the pledge manager expecting already known qualities of the various Bones INJECTED material ? How is that in line with what the Kickstarter is supposed to be for? They can beg for a refund, or hope the product is decent and risk -in my case not a small amount of money- potentially losing out on figures they want that may not get released to retail, or various other things. It may be a smart financial decision for Reaper but it comes off as bait and switch. There's no way to miigate NOT getting an unknown aside from canceling everything because Reaper doesn't even know what figures will be this new 3d printing and what will be what they said they would be. I don't back kickstarters that are 3d printed regardless of my love for the figures because it's such a mixed bag regardless of who makes it. It's dishonest to change the end product so late in the game. Yeah it may work out and be fine, but it may not, and the Kickstarter wasn't for Reaper to try out new 3d printing tech it was for Bones injected minis.Straight from the campaign page, day 1: "Bones 6 promises to offer you more variety and more amazing new miniatures!These miniatures are 28mm Heroic Scale and injected in our Bones, Bones Black, or Bones USA plastics!...By backing Bones 6 you can help expand our Bones Miniature lines. Your support makes the molds that we need to produce these miniatures; the more backers we get the more molds we produce, which means we make more miniatures! As a backer, you'll get to have your pick of these amazing miniatures for a fantastic backer-only bargain deal!" Is this not a breach? Not a lawyer.. but how can they say this then slide it in to an update months after the pledges have been collected from kickstarter, the pledge manager has been up and people have been putting money in expecting what they were told they would get, to have it be oh BTW, a large amount of the figures you thought were injected, yeah we're gonna 3d print them, oh and the funding for molds, yeah were buying 3d printing machines instead... It really leaves a bad taste in the mouth and I am not pleased. Edited January 21 by Fruggs Spelling, formatting 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruggs Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) ** I just emailed the help reaper email as there's no other way to communicate.. ** Additionally, does anyone know how we go about getting a refund from what we've dumped into the pledge manager? There's nothing that I can see in the pledge manager that lets me cancel... Edited January 21 by Fruggs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarah Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 20 minutes ago, Fruggs said: ** I just emailed the help reaper email as there's no other way to communicate.. ** Additionally, does anyone know how we go about getting a refund from what we've dumped into the pledge manager? There's nothing that I can see in the pledge manager that lets me cancel... Consumer Information & Questions: [email protected] A real person checks this address. They get a LOT of spam, and they may not work on weekends. Some patience goes a long way. I have sympathy for those of you upset by this news. This has been a most disappointing KS project for a number of reasons. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksbsnowowl Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I was planning to lock in lots of items in the PM today (recently received some bonus funds). I was already hesitant because Reaper has failed to define which items were going to be SioCast (which I’m generally not a fan of), but I could at least rely on big things being classic bones, and it was a fairly safe bet that the big-box expansions are likely to be Bones/Bones Black, simply because of needed production numbers for a KS, but this 3D print BS means I’m not buying a damn thing until Reaper clearly states what material each item is being made from. What that likely means, is that Reaper isn’t getting that money. I’ll spend it elsewhere on known quantities, waiting on Reaper to be forthright about their products. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lidless Eye Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Does anyone know which of the promotional materials so far have been printed? I'm curious if i've had any in hand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhat Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I need more information before I can make any sort of reasonable decision. [My head is filled with quotes from "The Prisoner" now.] I don't need to know the machine. I don't need to know the materials. This would be mostly irrelevant to me, anyway. Plus things like trade secrets. I get that Reaper may need to pivot for business purposes (situations overseas, politically and economically, are...not what they were a couple years ago), so I'm not going to get all bent out of shape over it. I just want to kept in the loop a reasonable amount (perhaps a little more) given everything that's changing. I'm not necessarily against the shift, I'm just trying to absorb it. Sometimes the two things get conflated. I do need to know how durable the material is. Can it be run over by a car (this is really hyperbolic, but IIRC people have done this as a demonstration of Bones I strength)? Will it stand up to "normal" tabletop use/abuse (being knocked over by another figure, knocked onto the floor from table height, etc.)? Will giving it a wash and scrub cause any spindly bits to go down the drain? Will further special handling be required after delivery, or is it ready for primer/paint? I do need to know the level of detail Reaper expects to be able to produce for the KS (not what can it produce under lab/ideal conditions). Are we expecting Bones I level? Metal level? Boutique ("traditional") resin? I would also like to respectfully request to know which pieces/sets they expect will be printed. Or, at least, whether printing is expected to be "special cases" or more widely used. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haldir Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 The announcement of the Reaper going 3d resin printing sounds allot like Argent from Bones 3. Obviously, I don't care one way or the other about 3d printed figures, but it would have been nice to be told this like others have mentions. Hiding prints in with the regular figures sounds a bit fishy. Since I can print figures at home, I generally don't like purchasing 3d printed figures or things I can print on my own printer, but that is just me. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddesstio Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, Lidless Eye said: Does anyone know which of the promotional materials so far have been printed? I'm curious if i've had any in hand. Some of the monthly freebies - January in particular is certain - are 3D prints. If you went to ReaperCon, the meet and greet dwarf accountant and the goblin Henchman are also 3D prints. I believe some of the other monthly freebies have been 3D prints but those are the only ones I know for sure. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearsman6 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, Goddesstio said: Some of the monthly freebies - January in particular is certain - are 3D prints. If you went to ReaperCon, the meet and greet dwarf accountant and the goblin Henchman are also 3D prints. I believe some of the other monthly freebies have been 3D prints but those are the only ones I know for sure. I have admittedly not bought much the past few months, mostly for putting funds into this KS PM instead. Are those printed minis up to Reaper's usual standards? Does anyone have one of those minis to give a fair comparison? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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