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36 minutes ago, Cintra said:

Early bird or first (one or two) day credits can also backfire. When I discover a campaign after the early bird rewards are no longer available, it causes me to hesitate to back. Exclusive minis only offered to the early birds are the worst, I generally won't back if there's no way to get "all" the stuff - if it's a monetary penalty, it may or may not really affect my ability to afford the campaign but it is really off-putting, and even a minor difference can affect my willingness to pay.

Same. I know why it exists and all that. If I miss the period I really get discouraged and will most likely will not back the project. Even if the early bird is some mini I don't care much about or just an additional 5 dollar discount. I can see what the kickstarter offered others. 

 

40 minutes ago, MoonglowMinis said:

Or even any kind of early-backer bonus.  Extra figure? Something.
- maybe nothing "exclusive" as I really respect that Reaper doesn't play that FOMO game.  But like including the first Add-On character free or something.

With the amount reaper ships, I wouldn't be surprised if they miss people and due to long fulfilment times I would also not be surprised if other backers forgot that it was an early bird and sent emails saying they are missing x figures. Now reaper has a habit of running out of certain add ons and if they can't provide a replacement for that figure, well it would cause problems (I am still missing one of the winged vampires from the Ravenhome extra, all other missing figures were promptly sent and received).  So I can see some salty people no matter what happens if they add an early bird. 

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They should include bonus miniatures for early pledges, but those bonuses should be extra copies of something already in the core set.  That way it is a bonus, but it is not exclusive.  And there is always something in the core set that one could use two of.  This time around, for example, they could make it the bog shambler for pledging in the first week, plus an extra elven cat (or maybe rageclaw warrior) for anyone who has pledged by the end of week 2 (including those who already earned the bog shambler).  And reserve those bonuses for people pledging at least the core set value, and they only keep them if their final pledge is at least at that level.

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55 minutes ago, Cintra said:

... When I discover a campaign after the early bird rewards are no longer available, it causes me to hesitate to back. ...

I didn't consider it before, but this is a really good point. It's felt like this KS was missing some incentives to back early, but I can totally see someone feeling like they missed the boat. Dividing the shipping into waves is actually pretty genius from this perspective. You still encourage people to back early, but late backers aren't punished by having to pay more out miss out on minis. I understand Reaper said they can't do it again for logistical reasons, but it seems like it made a huge difference!

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Getting rid of waves is ultimately a good thing.  I definitely don't think that's a problem.  It never worked quite right anyways.  But there is now a lack of incentive to get people to commit early.  Because besides getting people to pledge early, it incentivized people to keep their pledge or lose their spot in line.  No pledging to comment and then backing out later.

So it would be useful to consider something else that convinces people to pledge early and keep their pledge.  But it is a fine line to not make people feel jaded for "missing out."  I'd say free swag but that's hit-or-miss depending on what you perceive as good value.  Exclusive minis also leave a bad taste.  Credits towards shipping feels harmless but is also kind of a bland feeling. 
 

23 minutes ago, GoldenPiggy said:

They should include bonus miniatures for early pledges, but those bonuses should be extra copies of something already in the core set.  That way it is a bonus, but it is not exclusive.  And there is always something in the core set that one could use two of.  This time around, for example, they could make it the bog shambler for pledging in the first week, plus an extra elven cat (or maybe rageclaw warrior) for anyone who has pledged by the end of week 2 (including those who already earned the bog shambler).  And reserve those bonuses for people pledging at least the core set value, and they only keep them if their final pledge is at least at that level.

Bonus minis is actually a pretty good suggestion.  Similar to the "bonus" hordes of previous KS figures they include in each core.  So Back early and get and extra Big Guy, or Back early and get 16 bonus twig blights.  Though maybe to reduce feelings of missing out they'd have to be bonus minis of something in the current KS so like 16 bonus ants.

Not sure how complicated that'd be on the back end.  I suspect it would be hard to translate that to the PM, but maybe there'd be a way to connect that to the fulfilment stage.  Definitely not sure how that would work, but clearly there's a need for something to incentivize pledgers.

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Just a thought. Could they extend the Stretch Goals past April 30? YES I know KS will be done and pledges will be collected BUT the RPM will just be getting started.  Correct me if I'm wrong, please..... They allow for late pledges in the past. Can they not allow for new pledges? They have added a few items post campaign in the past, can they not just continue thru the months of RPM? If given 6 more months to cough up some money, I'd be more obliged and as value increases slowly then those who want more value will have an opportunity to buy in and this increasing more value.   Consider it Plan B?

I'm sure there are logistical reasons why they can not but Id be happy to keep it going and I pitch in more money every month as models were added....

 

2 Cents,

 

AJ

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I like that this forum community seems to stay (mostly) positive. Moreover, I like that there seems to be a concerted effort to find productive solutions. It feels rare. Perhaps I’ve just been hanging out in the wrong forums. 

 

While I’m personally thrilled with the core set, I think an initial offering of some big add-on could have driven more early pledges. Even one with a distant stretch goal. Like “here’s the core, and at US$1million we’ll unlock this gargantuan Gnomish Zeppelin!” Give backers an immediate big ticket item to want, they’ll talk their friends into pledging. 

I like the suspense of hidden goals, but the carrot/stick thing only works if the donkey can see the carrot. 

Yes, I realize I am the donkey in this analogy. Hee-haw, y’all. 

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4 minutes ago, msfnc said:

I like that this forum community seems to stay (mostly) positive. Moreover, I like that there seems to be a concerted effort to find productive solutions. It feels rare. Perhaps I’ve just been hanging out in the wrong forums. 

 

While I’m personally thrilled with the core set, I think an initial offering of some big add-on could have driven more early pledges. Even one with a distant stretch goal. Like “here’s the core, and at US$1million we’ll unlock this gargantuan Gnomish Zeppelin!” Give backers an immediate big ticket item to want, they’ll talk their friends into pledging. 

I like the suspense of hidden goals, but the carrot/stick thing only works if the donkey can see the carrot. 

Yes, I realize I am the donkey in this analogy. Hee-haw, y’all. 

Yea, Its strange KS. Most people around her love Reaper ... Cuz they have such great customer service over years... Hell Deacades really. But, there is a fair bit of concern as this Kickstarter doesn't seem to be living up to the incredible standards being set by Bones 1-5 and we all want it to be so. THAT BEING SAID... the core set AS IS  is a great deal with phenomenal value and I'm all over. I have a nice budget allocated for this KS and frankly if we dont have as many add-ons as I would like I will certainly double up on the core.

 

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19 minutes ago, amuller33 said:

 this Kickstarter doesn't seem to be living up to the incredible standards being set by Bones 1-5 and we all want it to be so. 

AJ

 

Those were pretty hard acts to follow.  I'm hopeful that this week's reveals will bump up the excitement. 

 

1 hour ago, Nimphona27 said:

I bought so many core set splits in 4 and 5, in 4 i bought more adventurers, extra NPC's, skeletal monsters, anything with dragons in...... same with 5, i bought things i liked as i didnt like the whole core set in 5, so i picked what i wanted..... I would love to pick more dreadmere from 6, more toil and trouble, adventurers etc...... 

 

I had forgotten about this, but we got a lot of Core extras because there's two of us, and we sometimes like the same things.  I'm sure we're not the only family supporting these projects who are thinking "gonna need 3 of those dragons, one for me, one for the spouse, one for the kid..." 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, amuller33 said:

Just a thought. Could they extend the Stretch Goals past April 30? YES I know KS will be done and pledges will be collected BUT the RPM will just be getting started.  Correct me if I'm wrong, please..... They allow for late pledges in the past. Can they not allow for new pledges? They have added a few items post campaign in the past, can they not just continue thru the months of RPM? If given 6 more months to cough up some money, I'd be more obliged and as value increases slowly then those who want more value will have an opportunity to buy in and this increasing more value.   Consider it Plan B?

I'm sure there are logistical reasons why they can not but Id be happy to keep it going and I pitch in more money every month as models were added....

 

2 Cents,

 

AJ

 

They sortof did this for Bones V but in a less official way. A few new items ended up in the pledge manager after the Kickstarter ended. There is probably a limit to how much they want to do, but it could happen I think.

 

I do not think that exclusive early bird backer figures is a good idea. Logistically an extra complication, and discouraging for those who miss it. *Maybe* a non-figure sort of thing that makes people feel good but isn't going to trigger resentment. Probably not worth it.

 

Wish I could say I had some interest in an Egypt box, but that won't get me to spill more cash most likely. I'm sure there will be great figures, and I am glad to hear a lot of folks are looking forward to it. I can't foresee myself having a use for them though; if it was display painting pieces maybe, but that's not what Bones are for (at least for me).

 

Another thing I enjoy Bones for is having a selection of weird relaxing figures to go at when I'm tired. Of Bones V I have painted.... the cabbage. Honestly, I would LOVE a whole vegetable garden's worth of similar absurd veggies like that one and the Overgourd. That would get my money. Happy ridiculous stuff for when I want to paint, but display is outside brain capacity.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Cyradis said:

 

They sortof did this for Bones V but in a less official way. A few new items ended up in the pledge manager after the Kickstarter ended. There is probably a limit to how much they want to do, but it could happen I think.

 

 

 

 

Yea you don't want to do this to be too official or you hurt the rush that happens at the last 48 hours. But a few add-ons or encounters   we didnt get to might be ideal.

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