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13 hours ago, ReaperWolf said:

World book?
Cities like Barrowgate gasetteer?

Something like that, I guess. 

There's so many proper nouns of other nations and/or places I just don't know.  I kind of want to be able to understand where people are from and how nations relate to one another.

A map would be easiest to describe the kind of things I wonder about.  
Like, how far apart are Dreadmire, Brinewind, and Barrowgate?

Where is Vestonia?  How far is that from Breona? (sp? Breonnese?)  What does a "Gael" halfling mean?  How far away is Malapanga?  How about Anhur?

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32 minutes ago, haldir said:

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Joseph, please tell me Jochim & Rose are based off you & your wife?

Jochim? Nah... I'm more of a long-suffering scribe and Chronicler a la Albor Wylot.

As for Miss Rosie... quite the coincidence huh? ❤️

3 hours ago, Fruggs said:

Please make all the green griffon fluff available to us! I'll kick cash for a small sourcebook like we got for Brinewind!

Make some noise. I am a mere scribe with big ideas but limited influence. If the fans demand moar stuff you never know what might happen.

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5 hours ago, WKNolen said:

Something like that, I guess. 

There's so many proper nouns of other nations and/or places I just don't know.  I kind of want to be able to understand where people are from and how nations relate to one another.

A map would be easiest to describe the kind of things I wonder about.  
Like, how far apart are Dreadmire, Brinewind, and Barrowgate?

Where is Vestonia?  How far is that from Breona? (sp? Breonnese?)  What does a "Gael" halfling mean?  How far away is Malapanga?  How about Anhur?

Many a thing is in the works chum. Many. A. Thing. I do like to make the fans happy.

As for distances... Dreadmere is on the other side of the Adonian continent on the North Miriamis Sea. It'll take about a month of hoofing it from Dreadmere to Barrowgate, assuming you don't have any encounters with the vampire Warlords of Ritterlich or the horselords of Haldor. Then there's the overland trek across the Westbarrow Hills which, even if you stick to the ancient Elfroad, is a peril-filled prospect.

Brinewind is way west and south and around the cape on the Pellagrino Sea. It takes about two weeks to travel from Palise in Breonne on the Dragon Spine Sea to Brinewind assuming no pirate, dragon turtle, or ill-weather.

Barrowgate is the easternmost city in Vestonia's Hillsedge Province. Vestonia, Telluria, and Anhur were all once the Grand Kingdom of Anhur till the two vassal nations seceded about two centuries ago. Vestonia and Telluria along with Racheau and Breonne are called the Civilized West and the Breadbasket of Adon and for good reason.

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7 hours ago, ReaperWolf said:

Many a thing is in the works chum. Many. A. Thing. I do like to make the fans happy.

As for distances... [lots and lots of cool names and things!]

Ho-lee Toledo, Joseph!! 

You realize all you've done is literally make me increasingly more curious, now!?!?  I have so many questions!
There are so many more proper nouns in there, I just want to know all about it!  Like, I honestly think if I were to run a game not in Greyhawk, I am seriously considering that I would love to run a game in that world!  

Like the cool thing about it would be that there wouldn't be lore-lawyers telling me it's supposed to be this way or that, and pointing at books saying they know more lore than me.   I would love❤️to have a brand new setting to play in that sounds as cool as this one! 

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14 hours ago, Mad Jack said:

 

 There are a couple of maps in this older thread...

 

 

Ho-lee Toledo!!! 
THAT is so incredibly useful, Mad Jack!  Thank you for that!  It at least gives me some notions about how nations relate to each other! 

Also, interestingly, it gives me a little bit of an idea of the world looks like.   ... like an alternate Earth/Mediterranean kind of thing!  

It's awesome!!!!
Thanks again!  <goes off to stare at pretty pictures!>

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42 minutes ago, WKNolen said:

Ho-lee Toledo!!! 
THAT is so incredibly useful, Mad Jack!  Thank you for that!  It at least gives me some notions about how nations relate to each other! 

Also, interestingly, it gives me a little bit of an idea of the world looks like.   ... like an alternate Earth/Mediterranean kind of thing!  

It's awesome!!!!
Thanks again!  <goes off to stare at pretty pictures!>

And to think... that color map of Adon is not fully annotated as it's now long out of date.

More coming, promise.

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1 minute ago, ReaperWolf said:

And to think... that color map of Adon is not fully annotated as it's now long out of date.

More coming, promise.

I was kind of wondering about that, Joseph! 
There's some things I can't find on those, from your previous description ... like the "Pellagrino Sea".  
I'm still not sure what "Gael" is.   
 

I did stumble across a map I think you posted of the Dark Moors on the Reaper forums ... but, as you said, there's somethings like the cities which I can't find specific places for, though did find Dreadmere and thus Drowntown on that map you posted.   Your text descriptions helpde out a whole lot, though, and suddenly made more sense!

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2 minutes ago, WKNolen said:

I was kind of wondering about that, Joseph! 
There's some things I can't find on those, from your previous description ... like the "Pellagrino Sea".  
I'm still not sure what "Gael" is.   
 

I did stumble across a map I think you posted of the Dark Moors on the Reaper forums ... but, as you said, there's somethings like the cities which I can't find specific places for, though did find Dreadmere and thus Drowntown on that map you posted.   Your text descriptions helpde out a whole lot, though, and suddenly made more sense!

The Pellagrino sea is south of the Cerulean Ocean as detailed in the Landlubber's Guide to the Savage Coast.

Gael = Gaeland Highlands, moors and lochs bordered by soggy rolling hills bordering the Darkmoors.

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22 hours ago, ReaperWolf said:

The Pellagrino sea is south of the Cerulean Ocean as detailed in the Landlubber's Guide to the Savage Coast.

Well, then it turns out it's a remarkable thing I just ordered the Landlubber's Guide to the Savage Coaston eBay when you mentioned it at the beginning of this thread!  I didn't know it was a thing!  Honestly, I didn't know how many ReaperCons had books like that of it was a new thing last time!  

But, since you listed them for me, I went out and got it! 

 

Oooooohhhh!!  Crap!  I just realized!!  I found your interview for the SciFi Diner podcast!  And, knowing that you wrote Skullport in AD&D 2e makes Brinewind make so much more sense now!! Not that I was 'net-stalking you on RPG Geek, or anything!!  (though your page doesn't have any of your Reaper stuff on it, I don't think).  

 

And, now, knowing that you played Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh in the old days, and said (upthre4ad) you've played in the World of Greyhawk, it makes me want to talk to you even more, and pick your brain about placing the Green Griffin in the Free City of Greyhawk! 
It makes me wonder ... I'd like to talk to Ed (and/or Ron?  I don't know whose bailiwick that is) about GreyhawkOnline.com working with you about writing for us and doing a kind of conversion/placement article for the GG in GH to help promote the Kickstarter!  I'd be thrilled if you'd talk with me ([email protected]) about the possibility of something like that! 

On 4/6/2022 at 1:34 PM, ReaperWolf said:

Many a thing is in the works chum. Many. A. Thing. I do like to make the fans happy.

Ooooohhhh!!! Now that I have listened to the whole podcast (put out in Oct '21, now I think I have a little better idea of what "many things in the works ... Many. A. Thing" means! 

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Okay ... so, The Green Griffin in Greyhawk!! 

 

Here's what I'm thinking: 
We do have a map of the Green Dragon, but, honestly, I feel like it's a little small and unpopulated for my idea of the Green Dragon.   But I'm not one for usually changing what's already written.  So, what I think, is that the Green Griffin is another place in the Free City. 

 There's basically three great locations in the Free City for the Green Griffin, assuming we keep it in the River Quarter (R).

  • Use it to "expand" the Green Dragon (R2) , and flesh out the light material we already have on it. 
  • Place it in a whole new place where there's nothing detailed already
  • Use it to "expand" the Barge Inn (R11), which already has lots of similarities to the Green Griffin

So, on the accompanying map, the Green Dragon and Barge Inn are labeled.  The more northwestern location doesn't have anything at all in it, insofar as officially published locations.  The Green Dragon and Barge Inn do have some stuff, but, it's generally very light, and there's no reason the two couldn't be incorporated, or merged.  

 

The Barge Inn does already have things like it is "one of the largest inns in the city is ....  a four-story structure with two cone-shaped towers and a huge ale brewery in the cellar." and it also that "below the Barge Inn’s cellar floor is a huge, old cistern ...  into which several waterpipes and sewers drain. One storm sewer goes north to the Selintan’s banks, where it drains into the river."  Obviously, the latter fits with the GG, because that becomes the canalways!! There's some other lore, obviously, so there's an innkeeper already mentioned, for example, and an event or other detail that characterizes the place.  So that's where the undetailed location has a slight advantage.  


SO, one is more of a thematic match for the Green Griffin. 

Another is more of a lore match. 

And the last is just white space where the DM can fill in the blanks. 

 

[Edit: Holy Toldeo, that's a big map!  I didn't realize it was that big when I made it!  Sorry! Resized it!]

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Just as a note, because I have no where else to put it ... 

Here's another Greyhawk to Adon similarity: 

 

While they have significantly different appearances (walrus vs. fish), the description of the "Afanc" (aka  "Reefgorger" "Hammerfish") from p31 of the Landlubber's Guide to the Savage Coast is a perfect fit for the Nyrrian Boatcrusher commonly found in the Nyr Dyv and surrounding rivers.  

 

As far as the lore goes, they're almost exactly a 100% fit! 


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